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#1
I was wondering which Pickups would you choose to put on a "Jackson RR5FR" for a heavy metal sound (BFMV type of sound)? "The Seymour Duncan TB4 Humbucking Pickup and a Seymour Duncan Jazz SH2N Humbucking Pickup combo"(original pickups)
Or
"The Active EMG 81/85 Humbucking pickup combo"? And why?

Thank you for answering,

Emilioflex
#2
I hate actives and I hate EMG's..dont ask me why,thats my preference....and also SD's are more versatile than EMG's
#4
I like SD Distortion and '59 Combo for alder bodied guitars. Though If you want to go active I recommend the SD Blackouts.
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#5
I hate it how some people hate on EMG's. I have both EMGs and SDs on different guitars and they all sound different.It doesn't matter if you have high end pickups on a crappy guitar, you ain't gonna sound good. As with versatility, the new EMGX series is extremely versatile, if you dial your equipment correctly, you can play practically anything. If you're getting a bad sound out of either EMG and SD, than there is probably something wrong with your guitar or rig.
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Crappy video... the guy plays through a spider, hardly doing any justice for either pickup
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I hate it how some people hate on EMG's. I have both EMGs and SDs on different guitars and they all sound different.It doesn't matter if you have high end pickups on a crappy guitar, you ain't gonna sound good. As with versatility, the new EMGX series is extremely versatile, if you dial your equipment correctly, you can play practically anything. If you're getting a bad sound out of either EMG and SD, than there is probably something wrong with your guitar or rig.


well whats wrong with hating EMG's..thats to my preferences and requirements..I love swineshead pups..unfortunately they are out of business
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well whats wrong with hating EMG's..thats to my preferences and requirements..I love swineshead pups..unfortunately they are out of business


I didn't mean hating as in disliking but as in general slamming. If you don't like it don;t try to convince other people the same. I was almost talked out of buying an amp and that amp has now become my favourite piece of gear. That amp btw was a lee jackson modded jcm, I asked my local music store and they told me that it was not worth it, oh how wrong they were...
#12
Neither. Dimarzio's.
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I didn't mean hating as in disliking but as in general slamming. If you don't like it don;t try to convince other people the same. I was almost talked out of buying an amp and that amp has now become my favourite piece of gear. That amp btw was a lee jackson modded jcm, I asked my local music store and they told me that it was not worth it, oh how wrong they were...


They told you a Lee Jackson modded JCM wasn't worth it???

Let me guess....they tried to sell you a Spider IV after they told you that.

Some people just don't have a clue.
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#15
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Neither. Dimarzio's.
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Dimarzio or EMG's
Because every DiMarzio and every EMG pickup is tailor-made for producing heavy metal tones in any guitar.

Shut the **** up you troglodyte finger-sniffers. Just saying random brand names helps nobody and makes you look like you don't have the first clue what you're talking about.



OP:
Active pickups, of any brand, are a highly specialised tool. They can do any tone you want, but they rely far more on your amp than any other pickup. If your amp isn't suitable, active pickups will sound utterly terrible.
The standard SD JB/Jazz combo is alright but it's certainly not my first choice. Personally I think a Custom 5/Pearly Gates combo works better for anything. However, the JB/Jazz combo can do metal. Again though, they're a pickup set that relies a lot on your amp.

You won't get a heavy metal tone if you're playing through a 1954 Fender Bassman. You won't get a heavy metal tone if you're playing through a Marshall MG10. Pickups do not effect your tone anywhere near as much as you think, especially when it comes to heavily distorted tones. Your amp matters far, far more. Don't worry about your pickups until you've got a suitable amp.
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#16
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Calm down, I was just giving my opinion. If you'd like me to give a specific pickup combination, fine. Air Norton/X2N combo. I just prefer Dimarzio's over SD's or EMG's. I know that not every pickup that they make will get heavy tones, but TS was asking which brand, not which pickups. There's no need to flip out, its only the internet.
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Calm down, I was just giving my opinion. If you'd like me to give a specific pickup combination, fine. Air Norton/X2N combo. I just prefer Dimarzio's over SD's or EMG's. I know that not every pickup that they make will get heavy tones, but TS was asking which brand, not which pickups. There's no need to flip out, its only the internet.
OP didn't ask for brand, they mentioned models. Which is beside the point. Every damn pickup thread is full of people shouting out random brand names. It's highly annoying for those of us that do try to actually get somewhere towards helping the poor bugger. Not least, it's annoying to have pointless post after pointless post to scroll down through.
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#18
http://www.juicypickups.com/juicypickups/static/Humb.asp

take a look at them,these pickups are really high quality...

If you really want high gain type pickups,I suggest the SD 59 and JB..to me they have better clean tones than most active Emg's

And also the RR5fr orignally comes with passives,so its better install passives rather than actives because then it will be much easier and less likely to go wrong..
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#19
Ive changed passives into actives (first mod ever! if you call it a mod.) and yeah, looking at the diagrams and finding out what you were doing wasnt that hard. Obviously it probably will be easier to just desolder and solder 1/2 wires...

like someone mentioned, the EMG X-series can do pretty much anything (on a basswood guitar, see sig). I play from RHCP to COB, all through. I cant nail the heaviest tone with them though (like a set of Blackouts, that I tried with the same amp the other day) but itll do your metallicas easily.

If your into actives, its a matter of taste. Now Im a metal player (mostly, but RHCP to COB). If Id look for a lead tone (remember, playing metal) like Alexi Laiho, Id take the set of EMGs I have (85X bridge, 81X neck, I know, I know, but that way its killer). If Id look for a heavy rhythm sound (for this precise guitar) itd be the Blackouts.

Long story short, (RHCP to COB) if I had one guitar, Id go with 85X/81X by EMG.
#20
I use the EMG ALX which is a Passive EMG and it sounds great through my rig. Nice and heavy, good highs, great mids. Yet very clear sounding...which IMO is the most important part of the equation.

Like said above....amp is way more important that PU
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#21
There is some other brands of active pickups that have gone unnoticed but are pretty good. I think one was called dragonfire or dragonfly.
#22
EMG's are good though I would suggest the SD's but overall its best if you took your amp to a store that has guitars equiped with EMG's and SD's then try them out to see which you would prefer.
#23
Quote by topchin
There is some other brands of active pickups that have gone unnoticed but are pretty good. I think one was called dragonfire or dragonfly.
Dragonfire. I've got a HSS set in my Strat. Pretty damn good, I can't tell the difference between the humbucker an an EMG 85. The single coils (I got the alnico-based version) have slightly better separation than the EMG alnico-based single coils I've tried, bit more like normal single coil pickups. However they do also seem to have lower output too, it is really hard to get this humbucker and the singles to balance in terms of output. On my amp, to get the volumes to match, the humbucker at 2/12 equals the single coils at 7/12. That's with the humbucker placed further down and the singles raised as high as they can go.

So yeah. Dragonfires sound good on their own but if you get a mix of humbuckers and single coils, be prepared for a massive difference in output, even more than with EMGs.
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#24
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SD's. not STD's, some could get them mixed up....


iumm yeah im not a big emg fan but id rather get an 81/85 set than a set of STDs, lol
Eh.
#25
I don't like Actives simply because you have a battery that can die on you. Our bassist goes through a 9V about every 20hrs of playing & I play about 3x as much as our bassist. So even if I buy bulk 10 count packs at Sams Club that's like $8 a month just for batteries...

Can anyone give me one real-world example of something that an active pickup can do for me that a passive pickup cannot do for me???

As for EMG or SD, there are some EMG that I like, but I prefer SD's, even for drop B / drop A tunings, they're just more pleasing to my ears.

As to which pickups, I'd go with SD Invader Bridge, & either SD SH-PG1 Pearly Gates, SD SH-10 Full Shred, or SD SH-2 Jazz for neck, or possibly a Dimarzio Evolution neck. IMO the full shred has a bit more metal lead sound to it, but Pearly Gates is a bit fuller sounding, while the Jazz is a bit cleaner sounding. I'm not sure how the Evolution compares to these 3 (haven't been able to do a side by side listen) but I know I like Vai's lead tones...
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#26
I'm super happy with the Seymour Duncan blackouts that came in my Schecter ATX. BFMV, All That remains, Killswitch. Perfect for all. They are just as brutal as EMG's but arent as sterile sounding IMO.
#27
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Our bassist goes through a 9V about every 20hrs of playing
Then something is going very wrong with his system - either it wasn't installed correctly or he's leaving it plugged in, so the battery is always draining. For what it's worth I'm finding that with my three active systems combined (electro-acoustic, LTD H-1001 with active EMGs and Strat with active Dragonfire pickups) that I'm having to buy a new 9V battery once every two months. Three guitars that use a battery, I'm only buying a new battery every two months. So, batteries can last a lot longer than your bassiet's. SOmething is wrong with his bass or with the way he is using it.
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Then something is going very wrong with his system - either it wasn't installed correctly or he's leaving it plugged in, so the battery is always draining. For what it's worth I'm finding that with my three active systems combined (electro-acoustic, LTD H-1001 with active EMGs and Strat with active Dragonfire pickups) that I'm having to buy a new 9V battery once every two months. Three guitars that use a battery, I'm only buying a new battery every two months. So, batteries can last a lot longer than your bassiet's. SOmething is wrong with his bass or with the way he is using it.


I know he's left the instrument cable plugged in on occasion, he's also running with it wide open so to speak.

How many hours playing time does a battery typically last for you?
#29
I'm not sure per instrument because I'm lazy and I tend to service all of my guitars at once and if one has a problem early, I just retire it for a while. But if I were to hazard a guess, I'd say I'm probably getting two months of life out of my Strat (three active pickups), about two and a half months of life out of my LTD (two active pickups) and about six months out of my electro-acoustic (one single pickup). I use the electro-acoustic a lot less though, while my LTD gets at least two hours' use each day. I think EMG's claim that one battery can last a guitar six months of regular use is exaggerating, but you certainly get a good couple of months out of it.
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#30
Active pickups in general can make certain amps sound a lot better, or horrid.

I personally find that actives (like EMG's and Blackouts) work well for getting metal tones out of tube Marshalls.
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#31
Go fo Bareknuckle pickups. warpigs are really powerful for metal and beyond. nailbombs are really good. but if you want a more versatile tone then miracle man or cold sweats.

Don't go for SD's because they're mass-produced, toneless and over-priced. And if you think you need active pickups, because of whatever reason, then go with EMG's.
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Go fo Bareknuckle pickups. warpigs are really powerful for metal and beyond. nailbombs are really good. but if you want a more versatile tone then miracle man or cold sweats.

Don't go for SD's because they're mass-produced, toneless and over-priced. And if you think you need active pickups, because of whatever reason, then go with EMG's.
I would put it the other way around. Seymour Duncan make fine pickups, it is just a case of picking the right one out of the many models they make. On the other hand I've found Bare Knuckle top be horribly generic for the money. Swineshead were the only company making pickups worth £100+ and even then they were stretching it.
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I would put it the other way around. Seymour Duncan make fine pickups, it is just a case of picking the right one out of the many models they make. On the other hand I've found Bare Knuckle top be horribly generic for the money. Swineshead were the only company making pickups worth £100+ and even then they were stretching it.


what happened to swineshead p'ups? i tried to buy some for my ibanez when i got my new guitar and of course GC didn't have any (i didn't expect them) then when i went online their site doesn't let us "show their content"
Eh.
#34
At the end of last year they said they couldn't keep up with demand (bear in mind they're a fairly small operation making every pickup by hand) and they were going to close for a while and come back up sometime in the new year with a new site. Of course we've hit June now and there is still no sign of them. At this point I'm not holding out too much hope that they will ever be back, at least I've given up checking on the site; if they ever come back then that's great, if not then ho-hum, let's just move on for the time being.

It's got me thinking I should find a better use for some of my Swinesheads. One of my Teles has a Swineshead neck single coil and my random LP copy has a pair of Swineshead humbuckers that are all going to waste since I barely touch those guitars these days. Keep thinking I should build a guitar for 'em.
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#35
EMGs are good but i would prefer SDs .
They have a more 'bold' sound .
i would recommend the SD Blackouts for BFMV styles .
Mick Thomson uses them , SD Blackouts EMTYs , and Slipknot's style is close to BFMV .
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#36
I remember this place in Annadale where you can have custom wound pups but I'm not sure if its still around. Stupid billy hyde bought alot of private shops and jacked up the prices.
#38
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iumm yeah im not a big emg fan but id rather get an 81/85 set than a set of STDs, lol


well ya can go around telling all of your mates you have Seymour duncan's, but it would be a bit weird if you went around telling everyone you had herpes.
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well ya can go around telling all of your mates you have Seymour duncan's, but it would be a bit weird if you went around telling everyone you had herpes.


so if I am getting this right,in your scale,

herpes=EMG's

if so..
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