#1
I have completely fallen in love with Killswitch Engage's guitar tone. I love the dynamics that they capture in their recordings. Specifically the albums End of Heartache and As Daylight Dies.

Does anyone have any ideas or knowledge of how they do their micing? They have the closest tone to the tone I want that I've heard. I do want a little more growl and less crunch (less distortion and more mids) though.
#2
I wouldn't say micing is the only way to get that tone. Guitar woods, necks, pickups, as well as the players themselves are really the way they achieve the tone you're talking about. It also helps to have expensive EQs and Compressors available to you in the studio. Try your best to get that tone!
#3
well thats partially amp choice ya know and eqing of the amp they also use about 7 different mics on a cab but its certainly obtainable just might take a while to find everythig
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I wouldn't say micing is the only way to get that tone. Guitar woods, necks, pickups, as well as the players themselves are really the way they achieve the tone you're talking about. It also helps to have expensive EQs and Compressors available to you in the studio. Try your best to get that tone!


I have good equiptment and I'm getting great tone when I'm not recording. The only issue I'm having now is the micing.
#5
Gear prolly makes up 75% of that tone if not more. You can get close with your own gear but it will take a lot of experimentation, no one but them and their audio engineer could tell you how exactly. Just using your ears is your best bet man. I wish I had John Frusciante's tone, but my chances of that are well, 0.001% lol.
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Killswitch's tone something that so many people go after. I think it was a Triple rectifier mixed with a 5150, i could be completely wrong though. To me what really makes there tone is, gear, the way the bass and drums compliment the guitars, and most important of all, there amazingly tight playing.

Its all about hitting the strings hard and playing REALLLLYYYY tight. Even with that rig, if you cant play tight, it will sound like shit, and same vice versa.
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#8
The main component of their tone is gonna be down to the amps. You really need to pick an album tone you like and go from there cause they use different amps on pretty much every album.

AOJB - triple rectos
EoH - Framus Dragon and a 5150 (I think)
New ST - Nitro and JCM 800

As for how to get the tone from there....Adam D mics further away than most of us recommend. In an interview I read he said he just throws up a SM57 6inch off the cloth pointed where the dustcap meets the cone.

Finally, I don't think you'll be able to get there with a Vypyr....each of the amps I listed that they use is gonna run at least 2k new. Except the 5150, but I'm not 100% on whether they used that or not.
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Without Rectos and 5150s, getting that KsE tone is a lost cause.
micing will be the least of your worries.

If the Vyper is the only amp available to you then you'd probably be better off going DI and using Amp-Sims for this tone. any of the usual freeware ones would do a good job.
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The Vypyr is the closest thing to a rec tone ive heard. A lot of people judge the vypyr because its a digital mod amp but the head has a full power tube (6L6) section and the distortion is diode clipping not digital as most digital amps. The 6505 on the amp is 99% the same as the 6505. Id say the rec is about 95%. My tone pre recording is incredible and if nothing else im just trying to get that same tone in the recording. A lot of people have responded with "its your gear or how you play" and I know enough to know that its not. My problem is how im recording the guitars.
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If you read my post above I told you exactly how Adam D records guitars and consequently how KsE record their guitars.

And yes, the vypyr is a decent modeller....but it doesn't compare to a recto or a 5150. I've played all of them and whilst the vypyr anihilates things like spiders etc it doesn't come close to the real deal. If the VYpyr is 95% of the recto tone...why do people still pay 2k for a new dual recto instead of £450 for a Vypyr?

Chances are you're not hearing how your amp actually sounds because of the room and your position in it etc. I'm not trying to bring you down or anything like that...but I'm just trying to be straight and say without serious investment, you will not get that tone.

As for mic techniques, you can use Adam's like I mentioned above....or just go the usual 1 inch where the dustcap meets the cone approach and tweak. It's up to you man
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#12
Thanks for the post. I do think rectos obviously sound better but not by that much. I was more of less trying to emphasize that my gear is not NEAR as big of a problem as my mic technique and it was more direct at tigbitties than you. Thanks though
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Thanks for the post. I do think rectos obviously sound better but not by that much. I was more of less trying to emphasize that my gear is not NEAR as big of a problem as my mic technique and it was more direct at tigbitties than you. Thanks though


If you are really having trouble with mixing then i would keep practicing it, but maybe just try and use amp sims for now. Here is a quick test i made with amp sims using Rose of Sharyn DI's

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2113488/REVALVER%20MKIII%20TEST.mp3

Its a bit overgained though (i dont feel like re-rendering it). The only thing that amp sims are giveaways on is how the distortion sounds so digital, But its better than nothing
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