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#1
Hey,

This will no doubt be a contreverstial thread, but whatever. Is fair to say that Eddie Van Halen set the pace for modern Metal guitar? He invented the 'super strat' style guitar in that he was arguably the first guy to put humbuckers, a floyd (or at least a floyd rose style of bridge) on a strat-shaped guitar. He was also arguably the first guy to popularise tapping. All of these ideas are used by most Metal bands today if not all at some time or other.
So, did Eddie Van Halen invent modern Metal guitar?
#3
No, because Van Halen are pop/rock.

I'd say Chuck Shuldiner or Trey Azagagazazgthoth. Or maybe Steve Harris.
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No, because Van Halen are pop/rock.

I'd say Chuck Shuldiner or Trey Azagagazazgthoth. Or maybe Steve Harris.


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#5
No, his guitar was br00talz enuff man, no wat I sayin?

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#6
Its hard to say really, i think the first person to really make it how it is, was Tony Iommi, he was pretty much the first person to use that huge, sludgy de-tuned sound (and get popularity for it at least), but he obviously had influences and so on and so forth.
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#7
If we think Eddie Van Halen invented his style, we're mistaken. Listen to Blue Cheer's cover of Boney Maroney, and then Van Halen's cover of You Really Got Me.

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#8
Tapping is used occasionally in solos, it's not a massively prominent metal technique.

I'd say Tony Iommi like everyone else inevitably will. Or whoever first started using distinctive metal palm mutes, I don't know who that'd be though.
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#10
Definantly Tony Iommi, he was the first one to do most of the stuff used in metal today or stuff that influenced it
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#11
no one person 'invented' modern metal guitar. EVH played a big part, but others did too (hetfield, dime, etc)

but its really just been invented by hundreds of guitarists that made small contributions to it.
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adrian smith, or the other 2 guitarist for iron maiden.
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#14
I thought guitars were made of wood...

WHy would you even want a guitar made of metal ?
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WHy would you even want a guitar made of metal ?



To add salt to the wound of a joke as bad as that, metal guitars are shaped like wooden acoustic guitars and are used in geners such as delta blues and sometimes country :P
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Uh, no. His influence is only relevant to soloing and which means that technique isn't always used. Van Halen aren't even a metal band. Kirk Hammet used tapping in One, but what about the rest of the song? It's absent, so can you really say he invented it if it's only used in a minor amount of a song? No. The only bands that sound like a metal Van Halen were some of the glam bands, that's about it. Black, Doom and Gothic metal barely, maybe even never use it while Thrash, Melo Death, Metalcore, Trad, Death(with the exception of Tech Death), Prog and Power only really use it on occasion. So saying he invented Metal guitar because he popularized a technique is like saying who ever invented the hammer on invented Blues, Rock, Jazz guitar etc so no,He didn't invent modern metal guitar whatsoever, he added a little bit which is only really used in a few genres. So sure he has some credit, but he hardly invented it.
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I see a lot of you are rooting for Iommi, but I meant MODERN metal guitar, people like Mick Thompson, Synyster Gates, Kirk Hammett, Joe Satriani those type of guys. But I can see where y'all r coming from
#23
Gotta say Hendrix. Hendrix influenced Iommi with the sludgey tone and detuning. Oh wait. Gotta say Robert Johnson. Johnson influenced Hendrix.


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Edit: ^Well, fi we'll go that far back, let's go all the way back? Slave trade, without it we wouldn't likely have had most of the old "only on vinyl now" blues, and without that we wouldn't get Johnson, so no Hendrix, so no etc., etc.



I'd probably have to say a combination of Iron Maiden(Sure the first official album was in 1980, but the Soundhouse Tapes were 5,000-strong in England, nothing to laugh at in 70's metal band demos, and probably a few made their way to the US too), Uli Jon Roth, and a little of Eddie mixed in too. EVHites have really fallen back though after grunge happened.
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Tony Iommi if you listen to the Stuff from Sabbath Vol.4 onwards. Also the guys from Iron Maiden
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Uh, no. His influence is only relevant to soloing and which means that technique isn't always used. Van Halen aren't even a metal band. Kirk Hammet used tapping in One, but what about the rest of the song? It's absent, so can you really say he invented it if it's only used in a minor amount of a song? No. The only bands that sound like a metal Van Halen were some of the glam bands, that's about it. Black, Doom and Gothic metal barely, maybe even never use it while Thrash, Melo Death, Metalcore, Trad, Death(with the exception of Tech Death), Prog and Power only really use it on occasion. So saying he invented Metal guitar because he popularized a technique is like saying who ever invented the hammer on invented Blues, Rock, Jazz guitar etc so no,He didn't invent modern metal guitar whatsoever, he added a little bit which is only really used in a few genres. So sure he has some credit, but he hardly invented it.


oh come of it, lets not split hairs here but in One tapping is used througout that whole song. And also the type of guitar Van Halen uses - almost every single metal guitarist in almost every sub genre of metal have used or uses a strat shape with humbuckers and a floyd
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I see a lot of you are rooting for Iommi, but I meant MODERN metal guitar, people like Mick Thompson, Synyster Gates, Kirk Hammett, Joe Satriani those type of guys. But I can see where y'all r coming from


They invented loads, didn't they.

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oh come of it, lets not split hairs here but in One tapping is used througout that whole song. And also the type of guitar Van Halen uses - almost every single metal guitarist in almost every sub genre of metal have used or uses a strat shape with humbuckers and a floyd


It's used for about three seconds in the solo.
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I see a lot of you are rooting for Iommi, but I meant MODERN metal guitar, people like Mick Thompson, Synyster Gates, Kirk Hammett, Joe Satriani those type of guys. But I can see where y'all r coming from

That's kind of a mixed bag, and I wouldn't consider those last two modern metal, and Satch isn't even metal. You'd really have to break it down into genres really, based off those three being Nu-metal(I think Slipknot are metal but a lot aren't), metalcore and thrash/Heavy metal.

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oh come of it, lets not split hairs here but in One tapping is used througout that whole song. And also the type of guitar Van Halen uses - almost every single metal guitarist in almost every sub genre of metal have used or uses a strat shape with humbuckers and a floyd

No it isn't, it's used for literally 7 seconds. And I wouldn't really call using Humbuckers in a Strat influence. And even then, not really, the only band that comes to mind with that set up is Iron Maiden, who were going before Van Halen released anything anyway.
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WHy would you even want a guitar made of metal ?


Let alone heavy metal, I mean I like my guitar to be quite light, gigging with a heavy guitar hurts.
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I see a lot of you are rooting for Iommi, but I meant MODERN metal guitar, people like Mick Thompson, Synyster Gates, Kirk Hammett, Joe Satriani those type of guys. But I can see where y'all r coming from


Joe Satriani is a modern metal guitarist?
Or are you saying those guys invented modern metal (which is still wrong imo)?

I'm going with Tony Iommi as well on this one. Without Tony Iommi modern metal music (whatever that is) wouldn't exist as it does.
#32
Definately an evolution system.
One guitarist led to another.
Someone influenced Tony Iommi.
He influenced others.
They influenced others and all kinds of styles and bands were made:
Judas Priest, Iron Maiden, Anthrax, Metallica.
Modern-day metal is just a sped-up version of this imo.
Kinda boring to me.
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I see a lot of you are rooting for Iommi, but I meant MODERN metal guitar, people like Mick Thompson, Synyster Gates, Kirk Hammett, Joe Satriani those type of guys. But I can see where y'all r coming from


Listen to Turn Up the Night and Mob Rules off the Mob Rules album. I'd say its fairly modern metal. Also it has Dio and Iommi which is a brilliant combination
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#34
Black Sabbath
Metallica
Iron Maiden
Judas Priest
Pantera
Anthrax

/thread, considering at least one of these bands have been mentioned in almost every single post
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Seriously?
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Joe Satriani is a modern metal guitarist?
Or are you saying those guys invented modern metal (which is still wrong imo)?

I'm going with Tony Iommi as well on this one. Without Tony Iommi modern metal music (whatever that is) wouldn't exist as it does.



If you along with others would have read that thread CORRECTLY you would have seen that I didnt say those guys invented modern metal, simply that they are metal guitarist

And for the record tapping is used in the climatic solo for 7 seconds, but also in little and often througout the song. But lets be honest most of Metallica's shit has tapping in it anyway
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Seriously?

I hear quite a bit of the Bush era style Anthrax in a lot of Nu-Metal and groove Metalcore
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And for the record tapping is used in the climatic solo for 7 seconds, but also in little and often througout the song.


No it isn't.

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But lets be honest most of Metallica's shit has tapping in it anyway


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