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#1
Clips and pictures of a mod I did on page 4!


Alright finally got a ****ing module haha.

It's the modern module. Just a few years ago it got discontinued but it sounds pretty good to me. It's just soo scooped when compared to the K88.

Here's a clip I did of a full ass tone test of the K88 and RM100. You get to hear me blabber (Wow that's a word? ) about what's turned on and what's playing. It's pretty self-explanatory so a review isn't really needed. Check it out.

Clip
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3602793/Tone%20Test.mp3

Same riff as above but the gain is at 3 o clock on both amps.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3602793/3%20o%20Clock.mp3

Here's the pictures that go with the clip.







Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 13, 2010,
#2
Give me a minute the clip is still mixing down.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#4
Calm down. Just wait.

The RM100 is a modular tube amp that you switch out different modules for different tones.

70%
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 4, 2010,
#6
Yes, yes, yes, and actually yes but you need to have circuitry knowledge. Extremely modifiable. I'm doing that this weekend. Adding switches and lower capacitors to tighten it up.

Clip is up.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#8
Sounds good, I kinda want a RM100, but the K88 does sound a little better. The module does seem to get lost a bit in the stereo clip.

Also, happy NMD.
#9
Yeah that module is really nothing compared to the modded modules you can get. One called the Benzin gets EXTREMELY close to a Herbert Channel 3 with the right tubes and settings.

I think even the RM20 or RM22 would be a nice practice amp to have around. Very versatile and modifiable.

Good clip. Nice playing.

Thanks man. It was rough playing the same damn riff at least 12 times hahah. It just got so old.

Off to prom in half an hour.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 4, 2010,
#11
Well three main people do them on the MTS board. Jaded Faith (Rob) is from New Jersey. He has the best prices, fastest shipping, and quickest mods out of all of them. I did his website too for Rob as well.

http://www.jadedfaithmods.com/

Then you have Gigmods(Pete) He's from the mid west and is known for his Mark and Soldano mods.

http://www.gigmods.com/

Last is Anthony from Salvation. He has the best quality/best sounding mods but he lives in Austria so it's a hassle when it comes to shipping and his prices are highest but so is the resale.

No actual website but here's soundclips. http://www.soundclick.com/bands/default.cfm?bandID=909142&content=music and here's his other page on the MTS website. http://mtsforum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?t=5923


Sadly the Modern module is the only one without a schematic. :/
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#13
This is the layout of the Top Boost module. It's apparently the closest to the modern since it has the same layout.

http://www.grailtone.com/images/randall-pdf/TopBoost_PCB.pdf

Here's the guys of the modern.



Here's a HiRes shot I did too.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2379/dsc0030ur.jpg

I know the C3 is a .0047uf so if I change it to like a .0015 uf or something close it should tighten up a lot.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 4, 2010,
#15
Yeah two Preamp tubes in the modules. Then you have 3 preamp tubes in the amp itself and 4 power tubes.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#16
Here's a schematic for a module called the SL+. It's basically a JCM800 and it applies to most modules.

http://www.amp-rocks.com/drafts/SL_1.pdf

SL+ PCB - http://www.grailtone.com/images/randall-pdf/SLPlus_PCB.pdf

Top Boost PCB - http://www.grailtone.com/images/randall-pdf/SLPlus_PCB.pdf

Looks like mine has the same PCB so it's setup the same just with different ratings all over.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 4, 2010,
#17
There we go, that helps. If it's the same part numbers...

It looks like the modern follows the same topology as a Marshall tonestack.
I obviously can't read the part numbers in yours pics...
Relevant parts would be...
C14
C16
C17
R31
VR2, 3 and 4 are also kinda important...but eh.
If you can read those off the Modern module, I'll know what the tonestack's frequency response is.

A really quick fix that a lot of people do to increase mids in their marshalls would be to increase the value of the mid pot.
So increase VR3 to 50K.
#18
Scooped? Maybe it's my computer speakers or maybe you turned it up louder in the mix... but the RM100 seems to cut through better in the mix

Either way, in the individual ones, I still prefer the K88, but the Modern module does sound pretty good!
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#19
Yeah I can't wait to mod the shit out of this thing haha. I don't know. In person it just sounds drowned out compared to the K88. The K88 isn't that mid heavy so when turning the mids down as far as I did and the mid shift off. It was a sitting bomb when it came to a mix.

forsaknazrael, I'll get you some values so you could possibly help me out later on tonight. I have to head over to prom so I'll see you guys later.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 4, 2010,
#21
I preferred the Randall.

Although, both of them panned left and right was the best.
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#22
The Randall sounded less scooped than the Baron to me. Hard to choose which one I like best, but I think I would go with the Baron. It just sounds properly nasty (in a very good way).
Gear:
- Bugera 333
- VJ & VJ cab
- Jackson JS30
- TS9

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#23
C14 - says E47+/- 58 - 50kse
C16 - 223js / 400B6
C17 - 223js / 400B6
R31. - 100k
R2 - 470k
R3 - 470k
R4 - 1k
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 4, 2010,
#24
Quote by kylendm
C14 - says E47+/- 58 - 50kse
C16 - 223js / 400B6
C17 - 223js / 400B6
R31. Can't read resistors.. Help?

http://tinyurl.com/36nl9o2
Gear:
- Bugera 333
- VJ & VJ cab
- Jackson JS30
- TS9

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#25
Damn that sounds good....well done man.

I can see why you love them so much, I was really impressed by those clips. The boosted modern sounded really nice. Gonna defiantely pick one of those up sometime. I also understand why you let go of the 5150 and kept the Baron...the modern sounds pretty close to a 5150 and the Baron has a unique voicing so....good choice!

Oh and you sound really American! It always throws me whenever I hear people speak on UG...you never sound as British as you do in my head!

Enjoy prom!
Guitars: PRS Custom 24, PRS EG3, PRS Santana SE, PRS Tremonti SE, ESP-LTD M-200FM

Acoustics: Maton EM225C, Washburn WD-42S, Ovation Tangent

Amps: Peavey 5150 Mk 1, Randall V2, Marshall JCM2000 DSL100

Cab: Framus FR212
#26
Is it BROWN-BLACK-YELLOW? I couldn't really see. Sorry, I should have specified that I wanted colors on that one, I didn't expect you to know how to read that haha.
If so, that's 100K ohms.

C14....I'm hoping it's actually 470 picofarads...47 seems weird. Does it say 471 on it? If it is honestly 47pF...Changing it to 470 will help alot.
I also recommend changing R31 to 33K.

If you do that, that's the classic Marshall tonestack. Otherwise, around 47K-56K is like Soldano's. Increasing the size kinda scoops the low end and mids.
#27
Quote by idiotbox919
Oh and you sound really American! It always throws me whenever I hear people speak on UG...you never sound as British as you do in my head!
UG is Russian, you know! You should imagine everyone talking in Red Alert 2's Yuri style.
Gear:
- Bugera 333
- VJ & VJ cab
- Jackson JS30
- TS9

Bugera Users Militia. We are horrible people. With a sprinkler fetish.
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#28
Got it all.

C14 - 47Pf
C16 - 223js / 400B6
C17 - 223js / 400B6
R31. - 100k
R2 - 470k
R3 - 470k
R4 - 1k
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#30
Quote by Kanthras
UG is Russian, you know! You should imagine everyone talking in Red Alert 2's Yuri style.


haha true...that game ruled...although if I do that, everyone will always sound wrong! At least there are actually a couple of Brits on here...I don't think I've met a Russian
Guitars: PRS Custom 24, PRS EG3, PRS Santana SE, PRS Tremonti SE, ESP-LTD M-200FM

Acoustics: Maton EM225C, Washburn WD-42S, Ovation Tangent

Amps: Peavey 5150 Mk 1, Randall V2, Marshall JCM2000 DSL100

Cab: Framus FR212
#31
Quote by idiotbox919
Oh and you sound really American! It always throws me whenever I hear people speak on UG...you never sound as British as you do in my head!

Could be because he lives in NJ...
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#32
VERY GOOD comparison video, great job! :-)

Would like to see both amps with more gain (around 6ish) if possible :-D (not using the TS9)-- I like the gain higher on the amp to see how tight/thumpy/powerful the bass response can get without the use of an OD.
#33
Nice amp, I didn't realize how interesting the whole module concept was until now.

By the way, the KT88 w/ the tube screamer sounds great.
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Last edited by TMF128 at Jun 4, 2010,
#34
Quote by idiotbox919
Damn that sounds good....well done man.

I can see why you love them so much, I was really impressed by those clips. The boosted modern sounded really nice. Gonna defiantely pick one of those up sometime. I also understand why you let go of the 5150 and kept the Baron...the modern sounds pretty close to a 5150 and the Baron has a unique voicing so....good choice!

Oh and you sound really American! It always throws me whenever I hear people speak on UG...you never sound as British as you do in my head!

Enjoy prom!


Haha thanks man it was really fun actually even though it was my third time :rollseyes:. I agree though. It does sound kinda similar to a 5150 just without the crazy mids. Also I am quite American. My voice couldn't be more of the stereotypical American voice if I tried.

Quote by TMF128
Nice amp, I didn't realize how interesting the whole module concept was until now.

By the way, the KT88 w/ the tube screamer sounds great.


Thanks man. I though so too. Still my favorite as well!

Quote by Kanthras
The Randall sounded less scooped than the Baron to me. Hard to choose which one I like best, but I think I would go with the Baron. It just sounds properly nasty (in a very good way).


Really? Hmm that's weird. People have mixed feelings about what comes out better. I think the Modern is just a lot smoother and the K88 is crunchier.

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forsaknazrael I have two questions for you. Is it ok to use a higher wattage resistor with a lower rating? The R31 is 100k and I think is 1/4watt. I'm getting a bunch of stuff online but they don't have a 47k 1/4 watt, is it ok to use 1/2watt resistor where a 1/4 watt would go?

Also, you suggest a 470pf resistor in place of the 47pf? I can't seem to find any to be honest.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 5, 2010,
#37
Eh I consider scooped to be like 9 o clock and under. Mine are at like 10:30
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#38
Potentiometer ratings.

VR2 - 1ma
VR3 - 25k
VR4 - 1ma

Is using 600v capacitors ok when the ones on the module say 630v?
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
Last edited by kylendm at Jun 13, 2010,
#39
Quote by AkiraSpectrum
VERY GOOD comparison video, great job! :-)

Would like to see both amps with more gain (around 6ish) if possible :-D (not using the TS9)-- I like the gain higher on the amp to see how tight/thumpy/powerful the bass response can get without the use of an OD.


I'll try that later today.
Guitars:
Ibanez UV777P
Ibanez RGD2127FX
Ibanez RG3120TW
Ibanez RGD7321
Ibanez RG6003FM
Ibanez SA160
Jackson Slatxmg3-7
Amps:
Baron Custom Amps K88
Rivera Knucklehead TRE
Fryette Sig: X
Randall RM4 /w Modded modules
Cabs:
Mesa 4x12
Bogner 4x12
Peavey 4x12(K85s)
#40
I really liked the randall.

still liked the baron more
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