#1
I need better tone on my Line6 half-stack. My rigg Line6 HD-150 Head with a Peavy Valve King cabinet. Esp EC-1000 with EMG 81 & 60. I would like a Behemoth-ish or Dimmu Borgir-ish tone...if at all possible. And i also need help choosing witch guitar to get its between the Ltd EX-360 and the Ltd V-300...thanks for the help my fellow guitar players.
#2
I'd say either of those guitars would be a step down from what you already have. I'd spend the money on a new amp instead. Maybe look for a used Peavey 5150/6505 head.
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#3
Definatly buy a new amp instead of a new guitar, that'll get you much nearer to Behemoth or Dimmu Borgir than any guitar will.. No matter what guitar you play it will sound the same (awfull) through that amp.
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#6
ENGL's are great but from what I've heard they have quite a bright voicing. That's not to say they're not suitable for your style of music, there are plenty of Death Metal bands that use ENGL's, but some people prefer a darker voicing. It's worth figuring out which you'd prefer before you go out and buy an ENGL.
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#7
If you knew what you wanted to buy, then why ask us?

In all honesty... Eh. Forget it.

New amp > new guitar in almost all cases. Unless you have a great amp.

You have a great guitar. You need an amp (not a shitty Line6 Spider) to do it justice.

Look into:

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... and a good OD pedal to use with it.

A lot of good metal tones also come from lower gain than you'd think.
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#10
In all honesty, the Line 6 HD amps really ain't that bad, I think what is sucking most of your tone is the Valveking 4x12 cab, they are know to be really crappy cabs. I would spend your money on a decent cab first, then make a call on a new amp, either way, if you buy a new amp, it will still sound like crap through the crappy cab, if you buy a good cab first, then when you buy a new amp, it won't sound like crap.

A good cab to recommend is Avatar cabs, built just like Mesa cabs, but a hell of alot cheaper.
#11
He doesn't have the HD147, the HD150 is the Spider 150w head.
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In all honesty, the Line 6 HD amps really ain't that bad, I think what is sucking most of your tone is the Valveking 4x12 cab, they are know to be really crappy cabs. I would spend your money on a decent cab first, then make a call on a new amp, either way, if you buy a new amp, it will still sound like crap through the crappy cab, if you buy a good cab first, then when you buy a new amp, it won't sound like crap.

A good cab to recommend is Avatar cabs, built just like Mesa cabs, but a hell of alot cheaper.

OR.... you can sell the amp, AND the cab, and just buy a really badass combo amp....
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OR.... you can sell the amp, AND the cab, and just buy a really badass combo amp....



Yeah, you could, but it's much easier to do the easy thing first. If I've learned anything from being a sound tech, it's that something may sound like crap at first, doesn't mean you should just straight up replace it with a completly new one, it's typically too expensive, you first see how you can improve the amp, by changing tubes, OT's, or speaker, even speaker cables will help.

Idk though, I know the HD series are pretty good, so me personally, I would hold off on buying a new amp until I figure out all my options.
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Quote by ethan_hanus
In all honesty, the Line 6 HD amps really ain't that bad, I think what is sucking most of your tone is the Valveking 4x12 cab, they are know to be really crappy cabs. I would spend your money on a decent cab first, then make a call on a new amp, either way, if you buy a new amp, it will still sound like crap through the crappy cab, if you buy a good cab first, then when you buy a new amp, it won't sound like crap.

A good cab to recommend is Avatar cabs, built just like Mesa cabs, but a hell of alot cheaper.


i think that would help out at least a little bit. i am not familiar with Avatar's cabs, but i am a big fan of Randall's cabinets and they are pretty reasonable.

and dont step down and buy either of the guitars you mentioned.

save the money and buy a new head, or at bear minimum a cabinet.
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Yeah it's not that bad...i just want to get a heavier tone with the amp i have.


Have you tried drop tuning your guitar, that'll give you a heavier tone, but will suck your gain up, so if lack of gain is your problem (which it shouldn't be) then get a gain boost pedal to tighten it up and add a little more gain. TS9's work great, so do Bad Monkey's.


But I am almost certain it's your cab that is holding your tone back.
#18
He's got a Spider!!!! Why would he waste money on a new cab?!?!?!
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#19
Buy a new head. Bugera 6262/333xl. The head will have more effect on his tone than a cab ever will.
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He's got a Spider!!!! Why would he waste money on a new cab?!?!?!



Cause, the HD 150 is not the same as the Line 6 Spider III 15 or 30 watt amps, it's actually a respectable low end SS amp. Course there is better, but that's not the point.

Plus, a good cab is just as important as a good amp.
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Idk though, I know the HD series are pretty good, so me personally, I would hold off on buying a new amp until I figure out all my options.

You're missing the point. the HD150 is just a Spider III head, it's not one of the nicer Line 6 HD amps like the HD147. Yes, Line 6 HD amps are very good, but the Spiders are not.

He definitely needs a new head more than anything, his Valveking cab should suffice for now.
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Quote by ethan_hanus
Cause, the HD 150 is not the same as the Line 6 Spider III 15 or 30 watt amps, it's actually a respectable low end SS amp. Course there is better, but that's not the point.

Plus, a good cab is just as important as a good amp.


a good cab is important if you have a good amp.
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a good cab is important if you have a good amp.
I mean maybe a 412 southbay loaded with scumincos and a mg100hdfx would be awesome just for lolz.


A good cab is important, but the head is more important. The Valveking cab isn't so bad it immediately needs replacing. A good, high gain tube amp would give far better tone for the TS than a spider head through any cab.
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#25
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Cause, the HD 150 is not the same as the Line 6 Spider III 15 or 30 watt amps, it's actually a respectable low end SS amp. Course there is better, but that's not the point.

Plus, a good cab is just as important as a good amp.


It's the same amp with a bigger power section! That's it! There's nothing respectable in the least about it. And cabs really only come into play once you have a good amp where it makes a difference.
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