#1
Ok...Starting September after the summer and everything thats happening, I'm going to save solidly for a really nice (in my opinion) amp.

I will probobly sacrifice my birthday and christmas money and presents to afford this and would probobly raise around £400 from september to december due to these events. But I know I will have to continue saving for a while longer to get what I want.

This amp HAS to:

Be gig worthy
Have nice cleans
Have a natural sounding overdrive
Be good for classic rock, rock, clean/overdriven type stuff
Full tube amp (obviously )

I will be using a fender strat and a few pedals with this.

I was thinking along the lines of perhaps a Marshall JCM 800 head and cab or combo.

I would like a head and cab this time round...possibly a 2x12 as I own a combo now and want something a bit different.

If I could get some pros and cons of using a cab?

Any suggestions? If the JCM 800 is the way forward, how much should I be looking at for a used one in good nic?

Thanks folks

Luke
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You are better off asking in 'Guitar Gear and & Accessories'

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Thats exactly where I am.

Thanks for trying to correct me...now correct yourself.

You tried to look clever there...turns out you look a bit silly now.
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#4
yeah, that was confusing….

jcm800's sound great in their OD channel when biased CORRECTLY, but i can't seem to get the cleans to really "sparkle" like other marshalls or other amps - i'll try and get back with other ideas for you
#6
Lawl.

Have you considered the VC30, or Lionheart LH20H (Though im not sure on it headroom wise), since you're allready a laney user.

I cant give you an opinion on the Jcm 800.

Maybe an Orange AD30 on ebayzz.

Peavey C30 head (though i think the VC sounds nicer, but it doesnt come in a head)

Vox Night Train

Egnater Tweaker/Rebel

Vox AC50/AC30H

Pros of a cab/head -> Easier to move than a combo, providing it isnt a mahoosive head/cab. Something like a 15kg head + 2x12 is easier to move than a 2x12 combo.
Interchangable, you can swap the head if you ever want a change.
Looks sexier.

Cons -> Tends to cost more.
#7
Great stuff there.

I have been tempted by the VC30 but it doesn't seem to stand out to me for some reason.

A head and cab, as you said looks sexy haha. And being a JCM just makes it all that much better.

I can imagine loving the JCM due to its size and it would feel great to have it behind me at a gig

I'll check out those other amps you suggested too.

The lionheart does look great too...but 20watts does put me off a bit. Is that gig worthy?

cheers!
#9
Deffinately gig worthy, 20 watts is alot of volume, especially through a 2x12, i just dont know clean it would stay at gigging volumes, youd have to ask someone who owns one or has tried it.

Or better yet try it yourself.

And for the record its gunna be hard getting a 2x12 + JCM800 for £400 (assuming thats your budget for everything,) a combo would probably be doable though.
#10
All of beckyjc's suggestions are good ones.

20 watts is definitely gig worthy, especially if you mic it. That said, it probably won't remain completely clean either.
#11
Thanks guys.

Yeah £300 would get me a used marshall JCM 800 on the bay which seems pretty sweet!

But I think it could be worth paying that little extra to get the cab version but we'll see.

still haven't decided...got some months to go yet still
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Thats exactly where I am.

Thanks for trying to correct me...now correct yourself.

You tried to look clever there...turns out you look a bit silly now.

actually, the thread was moved by a mod. which was exactly what he intended.

who looks silly now
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actually, the thread was moved by a mod. which was exactly what he intended.

who looks silly now


Pwnt.

But seriously, the JCM 800 is probably a good amp for you. Head and cab is good because it's (generally) easy to transport it as two lighter loads with a similar number of speakers, and you can try different combinations of heads and cabs in the future with more ease.
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#15
As an owner of a JCM800 it is a perfect amp for classic hard rock etc.

BUT.

T'is VERY loud, and even though I own one, i'd recommend looking at the Orange AD30 as Becky said and also the Thunder 30.

I bought my 50w 2x12 combo for £251 so you can get them cheap as chips!

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i will recommend what i have been recommending a ton lately. an egnater tweaker, or rebel. great amps qualitywise and have amazing tone.
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actually, the thread was moved by a mod. which was exactly what he intended.

who looks silly now


But I don't go to any other place but here...apart from the occasional time I want to check out the pit.

Explain how you know it was moved please...

As for the other suggestions, all look pretty good. I can't believe how cheap the JCM 800 combos go for so cheap

I'll check out these suggestions

thanks

EDIT: OOOOoooooohhhhhhhhhhhh...

The thunder 30 looks sick! Its not too expensive either. Just requires a little more saving.

What cab should I be looking at for it?
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#18
Quote by moominman2
Thanks guys.

Yeah £300 would get me a used marshall JCM 800 on the bay which seems pretty sweet!

But I think it could be worth paying that little extra to get the cab version but we'll see.

still haven't decided...got some months to go yet still

really:|
there usually £600-800
jcm900's have a bit more gain and go for abit cheaper

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MARSHALL-JCM-800-LEAD-SERIES-50-WATT-1987-/160441137310?cmd=ViewItem&pt=UK_MusicalInstr_Amplifiers_RL&hash=item255b09789e

thats pretty cheap for one
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#20
Quote by moominman2
I was talking bout the combos man

still that one on ebay was 299 and still had 7 hours to go
its atleast going up to £450 can't really judge the price until the last 5 minutes
#21
I'v got a few in my ebay watching history with them going for around £300...

Check out how much Chrisiphone got for his. I have been researching these for a while now...

EDIT: And the one on ebay going for £290 is in mint condition. That also boosts the bids on ebay.
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But I don't go to any other place but here...apart from the occasional time I want to check out the pit.

Explain how you know it was moved please...

first, because i can see things you cant. one of my little tools tells me that it was moved.
second, because there was a re-direct left in GB&C. its on the second page atm.


also, looks like most jcm 800s go for minimum of 400 GBP on ebay, depending on the conditions. checking completed listings is better than looking at current sales if you want to know what they are going for.
#24
what i like about the head/cab form, is that while it is sort of an investment and is expensive right now, when you'll want an upgrade, if you have a good cab, all you'll need to get is a head alone

and a head alone is always cheaper than its combo form =)

otherwise, there's the cool factor and the fact that it's lighter to transport (2x a lighter charge feels better) but it takes more space and it doesn't necessarily sounds better (a 2x12 cab sounds exactly like a 2x12 combo, assuming it's the same amp)

it's customisable though :-) if you want a mesa 2x12 and an orange head, what's wrong? nothing stopped me there hehehe
#25
Quote by moominman2
I'v got a few in my ebay watching history with them going for around £300...

Check out how much Chrisiphone got for his. I have been researching these for a while now...

EDIT: And the one on ebay going for £290 is in mint condition. That also boosts the bids on ebay.

if thats true i stand corrected
but i wouldnt assume your gunna get them it seems like they occasionally come across
but al the buy it now's are all above £500 for the head and you mentioned you were interested in head and cab
#26
the JCM800 has great distortion for classic rock but the cleans aren't that good.

get a peavey classic 30. has great cleans and overdrive.
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But I don't go to any other place but here...apart from the occasional time I want to check out the pit.

Explain how you know it was moved please...

As for the other suggestions, all look pretty good. I can't believe how cheap the JCM 800 combos go for so cheap

I'll check out these suggestions

thanks

EDIT: OOOOoooooohhhhhhhhhhhh...

The thunder 30 looks sick! Its not too expensive either. Just requires a little more saving.

What cab should I be looking at for it?


Im getting the thunder myself actually. I wouldve reccomended it, but most of oranges stuff tends to me more gain orientated rather than cleans. Though the cleans sound nice from clips. But i cant really tell too well from youtube. Well find out when they stop fannying about and bloody release it. That and the fact theyre pretty darkly voiced and the thunder has more gain than you need.

On the plus side it is switchable down to 7.5 watts. So itll be bedroom friendly-ish and suitable for gigging.

I got an Orange PPC112 for it personally.
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Im getting the thunder myself actually. I wouldve reccomended it, but most of oranges stuff tends to me more gain orientated rather than cleans. Though the cleans sound nice from clips. But i cant really tell too well from youtube. Well find out when they stop fannying about and bloody release it. That and the fact theyre pretty darkly voiced and the thunder has more gain than you need.

On the plus side it is switchable down to 7.5 watts. So itll be bedroom friendly-ish and suitable for gigging.

I got an Orange PPC112 for it personally.


+1

Thunder 30 sounds great, I just have to realise which is more important, a year in Australia or another amp! If it's the amp i'll run it in parallel with my 800'

As for cab recommendations i'd go with Becky's suggestion again, a 1x12 would be great to have in your room but also small enough to lug around in the back of a car to gigs.

If anything bigger was of your desire, then one of the open back Orange PPC212's should be great!

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#29
Quote by jof1029
first, because i can see things you cant. one of my little tools tells me that it was moved.
second, because there was a re-direct left in GB&C. its on the second page atm.


also, looks like most jcm 800s go for minimum of 400 GBP on ebay, depending on the conditions. checking completed listings is better than looking at current sales if you want to know what they are going for.


Ok I was just asking a question.

And yes they are as you say "completed" listings. I am an ebay fanatic and spend A LOT of time trying to find good deals. And no they don't go for a minimum of £400 atall. It all depends on the condition/ how the seller words the description/ any problems etc. Not just because its a JCM 800 will it sell for a minimum of £400.

Punch in this number and go check it out on ebay

220612564618 - This is a JCM 800 50watts 4010 WITH an extention cab. This went for £350

I have no more examples in my history as I cleared it but I'm glad you now know that JCM 800s don't go for a minimum of £400.

The one I showed you was in great condition with that added extra.

Also, cheers for the suggestions and thoughts folks...i'v been given a lot to think about