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This is based off of a tangent in Colohue's lecture. I'm curious, what word do you think should be used to describe a mental condition when speaking broadly? All of these words, disorder, affliction, illness, ailment, ect all imply different things when used to describe a mental condition. Therefore we much be careful when describing a mental condition in order to not imply the wrong thing, as such, when speaking broadly a fairly neutral word should be used.

My question to you pit, is which word do you think should be used to describe a mental disorder when speaking broadly? Feel free to give your rationale.
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This is based off of a tangent in Colohue's lecture. I'm curious, what word do you think should be used to describe a mental condition when speaking broadly? All of these words, disorder, affliction, illness, ailment, ect all imply different things when used to describe a mental condition. Therefore we much be careful when describing a mental condition in order to not imply the wrong thing, as such, when speaking broadly a fairly neutral word should be used.

My question to you pit, is which word do you think should be used to describe a mental disorder when speaking broadly? Feel free to give your rationale.

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#7
Mental illness.

In my experience, the people who do have a mental illness are less bothered by this than people who don't.
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Mental Paradox - you could argue there is no mental 'abnormality' in anyone should 'real life' exist;

For example prove to me this isn't all just one big dream i'm having? And that this isn't all my imagination?
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This is based off of a tangent in Colohue's lecture. I'm curious, what word do you think should be used to describe a mental condition when speaking broadly? All of these words, disorder, affliction, illness, ailment, ect all imply different things when used to describe a mental condition. Therefore we much be careful when describing a mental condition in order to not imply the wrong thing, as such, when speaking broadly a fairly neutral word should be used.

My question to you pit, is which word do you think should be used to describe a mental disorder when speaking broadly? Feel free to give your rationale.


You've mentioned the term I'd go for twice

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Who's to say what's normal?

I say condition.


Technically speaking, the majority of people, I guess
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For example prove to me this isn't all just one big dream i'm having? And that this isn't all my imagination?

It's not a question of proving an objective reality - it's one of assessing whether a physical illness is causing a person to be unhappy with their life and/or unable to sustain themselves in the society that they depend on.
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You've mentioned the term I'd go for twice

I tried so hard not to show bias. I suck at making threads.
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Mental condition, yup. But I thought about 'mental issues' too, now that's pretty broad but on the other hand I feel that it has a slight negative connotation to it.

On the other hand, does mental condition imply it being a medical condition to you guys? I'm starting to feel that way, which would make it a bad word to use, since you can't assume all mental "___"'s are recognized mental conditions. So I guess condition has bad connotations to it as well.
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Mental condition.

It's vague enough so that it includes most kinds of mental illnesses, yet specific enough about the fact it's handicap at the same time.
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Mental Ridiculousness?
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Well you're going to be REALLY disappointed when I tell you he made a mistake counting; you actually said it three times.

I wasn't even consistent with my bias. Anyways, I feel that I was wrong by saying condition, I don't think it's appropriate due to medical connotations. Anybody else who said condition agree with that, or no?
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On the other hand, does mental condition imply it being a medical condition to you guys? I'm starting to feel that way, which would make it a bad word to use, since you can't assume all mental "___"'s are recognized mental conditions. So I guess condition has bad connotations to it as well.

No. A condition is just the current state the related object (be it physical or "virtual") is in. By that definition everyone has a mental condition and hence no negative connotations can be made without inferring that everyone's brains are fúcked.
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Mental clusterfuck?
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No. A condition is just the current state the related object (be it physical or "virtual") is in. By that definition everyone has a mental condition and hence no negative connotations can be made without inferring that everyone's brains are fúcked.

Aight. I'm curious why Colohue uses affliction now, condition seems to fit perfectly.
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The term disorder does just fine really. It has the advantage over condition in that within the word is the implication that it must cause the person difficulty (therefore individual difference within the normal range cannot be said to be a mental disorder)
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Aight. I'm curious why Colohue uses affliction now, condition seems to fit perfectly.

Because using the word affliction in public makes you seem smart.
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I guess if you're specifically trying to cater for those whose brains don't function "normally" (I don't like to put it like that, but meh) then I guess affliction is a good description.
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Mental illness.

In my experience, the people who do have a mental illness are less bothered by this than people who don't.


I don't think they get bothered much by anything. Except for connect-the-dots. Gets em every time.
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I guess if you're specifically trying to cater for those whose brains don't function "normally" (I don't like to put it like that, but meh) then I guess affliction is a good description.

I was just bein sarcastic.

...Wait, what I meant to say was...

The sole purpose of my previous statement was to obtain laughter, therefore acceptance, from my peers by introducing a facetious trait or value.
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The term disorder does just fine really. It has the advantage over condition in that within the word is the implication that it must cause the person difficulty (therefore individual difference within the normal range cannot be said to be a mental disorder)

But do all mental conditions cause the person difficulty?

/Showing that I don't know much about psychology.
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But do all mental conditions cause the person difficulty?

/Showing that I don't know much about psychology.

The criteria for diagnoses for the vast majority of clinical disorders (as per the DSM-IV-TR) would include a criterion that states that the disorder must cause "social, occupational, familial, etc, dysfunction".
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The criteria for diagnoses for the vast majority of clinical disorders (as per the DSM-IV-TR) would include a criterion that states that the disorder must cause "social, occupational, familial, etc, dysfunction".

All right. I use disorder and condition interchangably in real life, I guess I'll have to stop using condition.

pretty much /thread

I am curious though, do you think affliction would work as well as disorder to describe a menal disorder? To me they pretty much imply the same thing.
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I'm all for "Mental Midget", actually.
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Removing connotations from the world, 'condition' alludes to being 'conditioned' and thus implies that you have been given the particular affliction.

'Affliction' implies that it is something that you have been 'afflicted' with, typically against your will, but carries no negative connotations.

Tangent is the right word by the way. That part was not at all in the script, but I'm sure you could hear where I stopped reading and just started talking.
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Tangent is the right word by the way. That part was not at all in the script, but I'm sure you could hear where I stopped reading and just started talking.

Yeah I could, I just found this really interesting. I had a feeling you would make it here, so I made it a point not to try and explain your own point.

Off topic: Are you going to do more lectures in the future? I think some of your own studies would be really interesting to hear you talk about.
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It's likely. I could go into some serious depth with this stuff; it's just hard to find people interested in really learning how to do it.

I have something good in mind for the next one.

^ It will be if it passes the fact checkers, though it will be on the Community Radio rather than the actual UG Radio.
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Was this a lecture on UG Radio?

Yeah, but this topic was only a 15 second (at most) tangent Colohue covered when he was just starting to get in to his rhythm. I felt that it deserved a slightly larger discussion, so I made the thread.

^Colohue, you should definately talk more about it. It is really interesting stuff, even if the Lecture circut doesn't go for it on a full scale (considering we have so many lecturers already, and the topic has such a wealth of information and things to discuss) you should make it readibly available in some form to UGers. I know that I would certainly be interested in hearing you go more in depth, and the Lecture Circut is probably limiting that for you. Maybe have some information available outside of the Lecture Circut that you can't fit in to the lectures?
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