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#1
Well, those of us who said the ISP filter was the start of something more insidious, we were right. Check this crap out!

http://www.zdnet.com.au/govt-wants-isps-to-record-browsing-history-339303785.htm

This is seriously, seriously worrying. I don't look at anything illegal, but I still don't want people violating my basic civil rights! What happened to that anyway? What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

I'm all for catching those sick bastards who look at/put kids online - but this isn't the way to do it. Anyone with half an idea on computers knows that a proxy/VPN tunnel will very quickly bypass this, leaving them with no info on the crims and EVERYTHING on the innocent!

Not to mention the vast cost of storing all that data, which will inevitably be passed onto us. Our internet is slow and expensive enough as is!

This smells so badly of Steven Conroy, I would say everything he does is a farce but unfortunately this is all far too serious and downright dangerous to be just that!

Australia, the lucky country. Yeah right!
#3
So they keep track of your browsing history. What's wrong with that? It doesn't seem as dramatic as TC makes it seem.
#4
welp im glad im not australian, i can keep lookin at porn and getting recipes for making bombs in my basement
#5
This is happening in the UK too. It'll be a worldwide thing soon enough, I think.
#6
Quote by Captain Panda
So they keep track of your browsing history. What's wrong with that? It doesn't seem as dramatic as TC makes it seem.

and potentially all your emails. If you don't see that as a big issue then I suppose you'll happily post your email addess and password?
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#7
A) Conroy has no idea.
B) Our government is essentially run by right wing fundies and it doesn't matter which party they are from. They are right wing fundies regardless.
C) The non government right wing fundies have WAY too much say.
D) Conroy has honestly NO ****ING IDEA.
E) If the internet is no different to other forms of media why can't we have the ****ing black list you stupid ****ing noob.
F) Australia has no real freedom of speech and it would surprise me not at all if UGs admins got an email saying remove this post or have the shit sued out of you.
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#8
I think that's doubleplus good of them.
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#9
Quote by DeAd-RiP
A) Conroy has no idea.
B) Our government is essentially run by right wing fundies and it doesn't matter which party they are from. They are right wing fundies regardless.
C) The non government right wing fundies have WAY too much say.
D) Conroy has honestly NO ****ING IDEA.
E) If the internet is no different to other forms of media why can't we have the ****ing black list you stupid ****ing noob.
F) Australia has no real freedom of speech and it would surprise me not at all if UGs admins got an email saying remove this post or have the shit sued out of you.


This.
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#10
So much rage. So little time.

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I think that's doubleplus good of them.

You would, you big government commie supporter.
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#11
Yes!! And make the cams stream video so you will catch thousands of kids fapping
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I think its bad idea, i wouldnt want anyone to stalk my history.
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#12
Not potentially all your emails... Most likely all your emails.

Captain Panda, I guess you wouldn't mind having all your phones tapped and all conversations recorded, nor having the government read and copy/store all of your mail, then?

I wonder what Conroy and his mates would think of having to wear a wire constantly, have all their phones tapped and mail read to try and weed out corruption? It'd never happen.

It's not that I'm doing anything wrong; I won't get caught because of that fact. It's just the principle of it; it really ****ing creeps me out thinking that someone, somewhere is looking at everything I'm looking at and recording it...

I also wonder what would happen if, say you log onto a clean forum you're a regular of. Some overseas troll has posted all these nasty (illegal) pics that you really don't wanna see, so you quickly leave the thread and report the incident to the mods. However, either way those pics were downloaded to your computer, and as far as the government* knows you've just looked at it willingly - what happens then?

I know I made it seem dramatic, but I'm quite passionate about it and to be quite honest, it scares the shit out of me. I'm not just thinking about this; isolated, each of these things could possibly be a bit 'meh'. However, I'm thinking about what could be lurking in the wings a few years down the track if all this is implemented, not just with our internet either...


*Remember, this is being done by someone like Conroy...
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#13
Seriously Australia - what is wrong with your politicians?

^ to add a more realistic situation to that - you're browsing /b/ out of boredom and someone posts illegal shit. It's not that far-fetched.
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#14
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Seriously Australia - what is wrong with your politicians?

^ to add a more realistic situation to that - you're browsing /b/ out of boredom and someone posts illegal shit. It's not that far-fetched.


Our politicians are ALL right wing fundamentalists the closest we have to lefties are the greens and other minorities. We are basically a few short steps from being a theocracy in my eyes.
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#15
Quote by DeAd-RiP
Our politicians are ALL right wing fundamentalists the closest we have to lefties are the greens and other minorities. We are basically a few short steps from being a theocracy in my eyes.

I didn't mean politically, I meant is being dropped on your head several times as a child a pre-req for being in a governmental position there?
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#16
Haha, this is true. ^^^

Problem is if we vote in the Greens then no-one'll be allowed to drive a car older than 5 years old, we'll have all this pollution laws crap and you can say goodbye to a lot of fishing areas and probably some race tracks as well...

I don't want to vote Liberal - I really don't like Tony Abbott, nor many of his party. See, we can have a overly conservative, pro-Christian, almost anti-under 25s homophobe for PM or we can have Conroy stuffing up our internet.

So, like I've always said, either way you're ****ed...
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#17
Conroy is a ****ing dickhead!!!!
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#18
Wow, talk about an invasion of privacy, right?

This is just stupid, i'm not politician, but i am sure that there are more effective and less invasive ways of catching the pedophiles and watchers of child pornography


And, while i'm on the topic, what is so wrong with Child pornography anyway?


I mean, i know people consider it immoral anyway, but why should they be punished if they look at a few harmless photos on the internet? what buisness is it of the government? if looking at photos of children gets you off, then by all means, you should be allowed to do it!

It would be different story if you were watching some 19 year old lesbians ****ing their brains out then, wouldn't it? the people that look at pictures are not hurting anyone, just by looking at pictures

By the way, i do not condone the viewing of child pornography, and i am in no way a pedophile

I am just a strong advocate of freedom of speech and choice
#19
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#20
Quote by BeastlyBassist
Seriously Australia - what is wrong with your politicians?

The same thing thats caused your politicians to pass the Patriot Act.

Our politicians are either crazy conservatives with some progressive tendencies or an equal mix of crazy conservative and progressive. Then they manage to come up with the most impractical ways to implement half their good policies, and the other half don't get through parliament because of douchey party politics.
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#21
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The same thing thats caused your politicians to pass the Patriot Act.

Oh believe me, I wasn't making the claim that ours are any better. Not by a longshot.

I guess I'll rephrase that:
Seriously - what the fuck is wrong with politicians?
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#22
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And, while i'm on the topic, what is so wrong with Child pornography anyway?


I mean, i know people consider it immoral anyway, but why should they be punished if they look at a few harmless photos on the internet? what buisness is it of the government? if looking at photos of children gets you off, then by all means, you should be allowed to do it!

It would be different story if you were watching some 19 year old lesbians ****ing their brains out then, wouldn't it? the people that look at pictures are not hurting anyone, just by looking at pictures


A LOT. You may think looking at the pictures is harmless, but what's happening when the pictures aren't being taken? The thought makes me want to vomit...

Honestly, you need to take a long re-think on the subject if you think it's OK. Think about the psychological effects on the kid later in life, seriously there is way more to it than 'just looking at pictures'. It's in no way harmless, because the pictures have to come from somewhere!

That's like saying if you get off on bashing people, you should be allowed to do it, or if you enjoy street racing through the suburbs you should be allowed to. Extreme examples, I know, but people are being hurt by it!
#23
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and potentially all your emails. If you don't see that as a big issue then I suppose you'll happily post your email addess and password?


Potentially.

I've got to say though, I only quickly scanned the article and missed that. If it does happen, that would be very scary indeed. Although it's just speculation now.
#24
CP is ****ing sick. People who take part in it should be castrated. With two bricks (work that one out).

But the way teh government is intending to do this is completely ridiculous. What they are doing is taking the Christian conservative side and doing what they see as a fix to all the problems of society. Of course with no understanding of it, it them becomes redundant and stupid as it has done.

On an interesting note

http://www.bitmob.com/articles/my-four-year-old-son-plays-grand-theft-auto

That article flies in teh face of everything Conroy is saying. Just because a child can doesn't mean they will, and likely it will never cross their minds to do such things (i.e Seek out porn or go to a non child friendly site) given a reasonable upbringing and education about never clicking advertising or interacting with popups that are unrelated to what you are doing. I thank my father for the way he taught me to use the internet and honestly everyone should do similar.

Place the computer in a public room
Educate the child about the internet and that there are bad things and what to look out for
Supervise

There is no need for filters at all.
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#25
Quote by DeAd-RiP
CP is ****ing sick. People who take part in it should be castrated. With two bricks (work that one out).

But the way teh government is intending to do this is completely ridiculous. What they are doing is taking the Christian conservative side and doing what they see as a fix to all the problems of society. Of course with no understanding of it, it them becomes redundant and stupid as it has done.

On an interesting note

http://www.bitmob.com/articles/my-four-year-old-son-plays-grand-theft-auto

That article flies in teh face of everything Conroy is saying. Just because a child can doesn't mean they will, and likely it will never cross their minds to do such things (i.e Seek out porn or go to a non child friendly site) given a reasonable upbringing and education about never clicking advertising or interacting with popups that are unrelated to what you are doing. I thank my father for the way he taught me to use the internet and honestly everyone should do similar.

Place the computer in a public room
Educate the child about the internet and that there are bad things and what to look out for
Supervise

There is no need for filters at all.



Yeah, this, this, and only this.
#26
Quote by DeAd-RiP
CP is ****ing sick. People who take part in it should be castrated. With two bricks (work that one out).

But the way teh government is intending to do this is completely ridiculous. What they are doing is taking the Christian conservative side and doing what they see as a fix to all the problems of society. Of course with no understanding of it, it them becomes redundant and stupid as it has done.

On an interesting note

http://www.bitmob.com/articles/my-four-year-old-son-plays-grand-theft-auto

That article flies in teh face of everything Conroy is saying. Just because a child can doesn't mean they will, and likely it will never cross their minds to do such things (i.e Seek out porn or go to a non child friendly site) given a reasonable upbringing and education about never clicking advertising or interacting with popups that are unrelated to what you are doing. I thank my father for the way he taught me to use the internet and honestly everyone should do similar.

Place the computer in a public room
Educate the child about the internet and that there are bad things and what to look out for
Supervise

There is no need for filters at all.

Although, yes, your system is essentially the right way to do things, unfortunately there are plenty of bad parents who just couldn't be ****ed out there.
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Although, yes, your system is essentially the right way to do things, unfortunately there are plenty of bad parents who just couldn't be ****ed out there.


Which is why there is free filtering software out there on a PC to PC basis. If they can't be ****ed with that either (the fact they can't be ****ed doing things properly is bad enough) then well why did they ****ing have kids. It's as bad as letting a 5 year old weigh 60 kilos. Basically while it's not child abuse in itself it's neglectful enough to count in my books.

You should have to pass a test to breed.

edit:

Funnily enough those of us taught properly are learning to set up VPN's stocking up on software based anonymisers and making lists of various 'tunnels' out there. So we who have now grown sick ****ed up minds can access all the (legal) porn we want.


(please excuse my strong language it's not something I'd normally say that much )
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#28
Quote by DeAd-RiP
Which is why there is free filtering software out there on a PC to PC basis. If they can't be ****ed with that either (the fact they can't be ****ed doing things properly is bad enough) then well why did they ****ing have kids. It's as bad as letting a 5 year old weigh 60 kilos. Basically while it's not child abuse in itself it's neglectful enough to count in my books.

You should have to pass a test to breed.


Well, I agree with that, (except for the last part, but I don't think you're entirely serious about that ), seeing a child suffer due to the neglect of their parents is a really terrible thing


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edit:

Funnily enough those of us taught properly are learning to set up VPN's stocking up on software based anonymisers and making lists of various 'tunnels' out there. So we who have now grown sick ****ed up minds can access all the (legal) porn we want.



Unfortunately I'm such a noob at this shit, when the filter comes, I'll just get one of my friends to get around it for me.
#29
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I think that's doubleplus good of them.

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I do not like this. I think I might vote greens next election, just because they seem to be the only non right wing party we have.
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#30
The Pirate party has just recently gone official. Given the chance I'll vote for them. If not Greens seem like the lesser of several evils. If the Greens **** up between now and then. I'm seriously considering making my vote invalid.
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#31
FUCK. THAT.

This has gone beyond a joke. I really want to hear what the Liberal Party's stance on all this: the thought sickens me, but I may be forced into voting for them.

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This has gone beyond a joke. I really want to hear what the Liberal Party's stance on all this: the thought sickens me, but I may be forced into voting for them.


Do you honestly think the liberals will be better? They are more right wing than the Labour party. There's no way Tony Abbot would offend the fundamentalist groups but saying no.

Added to that he's an arrogant pigheaded dickhead.
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#34
Quote by DeAd-RiP
Do you honestly think the liberals will be better? They are more right wing than the Labour party. There's no way Tony Abbot would offend the fundamentalist groups but saying no.

Added to that he's an arrogant pigheaded dickhead.


I totally agree, that's why I said the thought sickens me.

I'd vote Greens, but if the the Liberals are deadset against this, then they'd win my vote, unfortunately.

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#35
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A LOT. You may think looking at the pictures is harmless, but what's happening when the pictures aren't being taken? The thought makes me want to vomit...

Honestly, you need to take a long re-think on the subject if you think it's OK. Think about the psychological effects on the kid later in life, seriously there is way more to it than 'just looking at pictures'. It's in no way harmless, because the pictures have to come from somewhere!

That's like saying if you get off on bashing people, you should be allowed to do it, or if you enjoy street racing through the suburbs you should be allowed to. Extreme examples, I know, but people are being hurt by it!



No no

I was not talking about children being photographed naked, i was just talking about looking at the picture, and ONLY the picture, nothing else


Now, if you'll excuse me, i have to go recite my spell for not dying again in the land of Khemet, cheers
#36
Quote by ShredHead396

And, while i'm on the topic, what is so wrong with Child pornography anyway?


You have to be ****ing kidding me?

And just to drop this in, there isn't really such thing as freedom of speech. There's 'freedom of speech to a degree so long as it fits society and does not break from the norms and socially acceptable acts of society" but freedom of speech?..yeah right.

And doesn't your internet service provider already know pretty much what you're going on. Not in an easily accessible way but i dare say it's all there. And your computer stores it all anyway. This really isn't as big a deal as everyone is making out to be. Are you upset that the government might notice that you jack off every friday night? And to the people who are saying 'omgz but they'll know my email password etc'...do you really think the government has nothing better to do than send you emails advertising penis extensions? Chill people.
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#37
I'm not worried about what they'll see in my history, because quite simply there'll be nothing incriminating in there. It's more the fact that I'm being told that I cannot be trusted, as a voting age adult, to make the correct decision for myself in my own ****ing home!

The way they are going about it will also cost taxpayers (us) lots of money, for what will probably be very little result, if any. Injecting that money into the police to actually get out there and catch these sick bastards is the proper way to do it, but anybody living in this country will know that the hard (right) way is never the option that is taken. Just look at our speed camera/road toll/average driver attitude and skillset situation!

If this was totally isolated, with no roll on effect, then it might not be so bad. However, this all started off as "We're going to censor illegal websites", then the words "objectional material" were slipped in along the way. The words "opt out" disappeared not long after.

Now all of a sudden we're looking at a complete tap on all our browsing. What next, they'll try to stop illegal downloading? If so you can say bye bye to P2P.
I normally buy shows on DVD if I like it - or god forbid I watch it on TV. I tend to buy CDs too - but what about P2P games and other programs? That's the thing, it's the snowball effect that scares the living crap out of me.

Anybody who has read Nineteen Eighty-Four will know where I'm heading with this...

Oh, and Shredhead, by looking at the picture, you are just as bad as the person taking the picture. That's the thing, do you honestly think that these people are just looking at pictures, and that's it?
There is no such thing as harmless CP, end of story. You look at the pictures, that means you're thinking about, well, I don't want to know - it makes me sick. You do that, you deserve to be locked up.
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#38
people of australia, i hearby apologise for stephen conroy being born, in the UK
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