#1
Okay, so I've been looking for months to find out the gear used by some of my favorite bands, much to no avail. I'm a complete audiophile, in that, when I hear a song I'd like to play, I MUST reproduce the sound as close as possible, seriously, it borders on OCD. regardless, I figured someone here might be able to help me. My main interest in music is early garage and psychedelic rock, and I'm dying to know, or for any direction as to, what guitars are most often seen in the British and American garage rock scene of the mid 1960's. The groups include:

The Small Faces
The Creation
MC5 (I already bought a Wilshire with the NY mini humbuckers, so sweet)
Big Star
Them
? and the Mysterians
The Kinks (their super early stuff)
...etc.

I'm just wondering, when I listen to bands like these, it seems like I'm hearing a lot of semi hollow guitars with single coil pickups, that give them that bluesy/rock sound with light distortion and a clean kind of Byrds (Rickenbacker) sound. I know I've seen Alex Chilton of Big Star play a Gibson ES-137, which I simply can't afford, but I'm looking for a good guitar to mimic this kind of early, low fidelity, squealing distortion with pronounced mids and sharp, yet simultaneously creamy highs and lows. Any advice would be appreciated. I've been considering getting a, Epiphone Casino, but it feels like a cop out. If any of you can give me advice as to a decent guitar (or perhaps even the actual guitars used by some of these Michigan garage rockers and British Mods) that would allow me to recreate these sounds (for less than $800) I would be very appreciative. Thanks guys!
#2
Epiphones and Gretsches most likely, although you'll almost definately see rickenbackers...I'd like to point out as well that tone isn't just in the amp and the guitar, alot of the tone comes from the hands.
#3
Quote by sakura'sdarkest
Epiphones and Gretsches most likely, although you'll almost definately see rickenbackers...I'd like to point out as well that tone isn't just in the amp and the guitar, alot of the tone comes from the hands.



Oh yeah, that much I know. I had a music professor recently who was way obsessed with Choro music, one of Brazil's most popular forms of music, and I addressed him with the same dilemma, and we sat down as watched large groups, as many as 20 or 30, all playing 6 or 7 string guitar, and how they would pluck with their fingers, with their nails, thumbs, rake with the palm, their overall technique really, but I suppose the short answer, and the unfortunate one, is to go with a higher end semi hollow with either single coil pickups or a semi hollow with VOS or patent applied for type humbuckers, honestly I'm obsessed over this, I'd take solace just in knowing what guitars a few of the band I mentioned used, if anyone knows.
#6
MC 5 used Mosrite guitars as well as a SG custom on their early stuff. if i was you i'd just check out pix of the bands an see what they were playing. american garage bands tended to use cheaper stuff like mosrite and danelectro. you may want to look into Burns as well for the british groups.
#7
Yeah, those Danelectros I see out there now, the reproductions, they look awesome, and lets face it, lipstick pickups sound chimey when you want them to and mellow if they need to be. I do know though, Monwo, that I've seen a live recording of MC5 and I'm nearly 100% sure that the lead guitarist was playing an Epiphone Wilshire, the second generation of them with the NY style buckers (and the reproductions they're making now have great electronics, you just have to find one without a crap finish. I'm tempted to go with a Schecter Solo 6, it has a soapbar P90 on the neck and a tapped humbucker on the bridge, it has that LP Junior look to it, figured that might be what I need, so I can get as clean as an LP, but also something like an SG, I'm going to Guitar Center today to try it out. Let's hope It'll allow me to play Alex Chilton as his music deserves to be played.
#8
i would recommend a danelectro personally. i tried the dead on 67, had a really nice feel to it. also a nice little tube amp can do you wonders in this situations. with leads me to ask, what is your current amp? your amp will contribute more to tone than your guitar
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#9
Quote by root_man1987
Yeah, those Danelectros I see out there now, the reproductions, they look awesome, and lets face it, lipstick pickups sound chimey when you want them to and mellow if they need to be. I do know though, Monwo, that I've seen a live recording of MC5 and I'm nearly 100% sure that the lead guitarist was playing an Epiphone Wilshire, the second generation of them with the NY style buckers (and the reproductions they're making now have great electronics, you just have to find one without a crap finish. I'm tempted to go with a Schecter Solo 6, it has a soapbar P90 on the neck and a tapped humbucker on the bridge, it has that LP Junior look to it, figured that might be what I need, so I can get as clean as an LP, but also something like an SG, I'm going to Guitar Center today to try it out. Let's hope It'll allow me to play Alex Chilton as his music deserves to be played.


the pix on the MC5's first album are definitely a Mosrite and an SG custom. like many bands i'm sure they used whatever was available. honestly i think the amp and fx you use may have a greater effect on getting the variety of sounds you're shooting for.
#10
Quote by monwobobbo
MC 5 used Mosrite guitars as well as a SG custom on their early stuff. if i was you i'd just check out pix of the bands an see what they were playing. american garage bands tended to use cheaper stuff like mosrite and danelectro. you may want to look into Burns as well for the british groups.


Mosrite guitars aren't cheap junk, They were some of the most expensive guitars in the 60s and were popular and hard to get then. Johnny Ramone just got his for $50 because at the time (1974) old or used guitars were very cheap and Mosrite had seen their most popular days.
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#12
Quote by distortion896
i would recommend a danelectro personally. i tried the dead on 67, had a really nice feel to it. also a nice little tube amp can do you wonders in this situations. with leads me to ask, what is your current amp? your amp will contribute more to tone than your guitar


You know I tried the dead on baritone and I wasn't impressed, but considering it rivals the price of an Epi LP Special II, it's great, ha ha. I currently have said Epi and my alpine white Wilshire (which I got lucky, because even though the finish SUCKS its tone sounds like its the result of a G-400 and an imitation Rickenbacker getting it on, but its WAY too clear). I play with (and say what you will but this is a great amplifier) a Bugera V22. It's mean, its got that good Mod crunch, but I need the guitar to go with it. I think I'm gonna try the Danelectro reproduction honestly, I've heard good things. The amp is naturally dark, so that Electro would be perfect for it I think.
#13
Quote by root_man1987
You know I tried the dead on baritone and I wasn't impressed, but considering it rivals the price of an Epi LP Special II, it's great, ha ha. I currently have said Epi and my alpine white Wilshire (which I got lucky, because even though the finish SUCKS its tone sounds like its the result of a G-400 and an imitation Rickenbacker getting it on, but its WAY too clear). I play with (and say what you will but this is a great amplifier) a Bugera V22. It's mean, its got that good Mod crunch, but I need the guitar to go with it. I think I'm gonna try the Danelectro reproduction honestly, I've heard good things. The amp is naturally dark, so that Electro would be perfect for it I think.


the v22 is perfect, definitely go for the dane
Quote by valterra
You traded him a sword for the guitar? You do realize that a smart person would just agree to the trade, take the sword, slay you with it, keep all of the loot and call it a day, right?

....What are they teaching you kids in school these days?!
#14
Quote by irishstang_87
A Rickenbacker for the Kinks, definitely. Not sure on the amps they used, though.


Literally go to Google and type in "Dave Davies guitars" and there are several sites that painstakingly detail exactly what he played and when, and even the albums and songs. Dave was a semi hollow guy, and oddly enough, from what I've read (and I immediately admit I might be wrong) he didn't record hardly anything with a Rick.

But yeah, I've decided on the 59 Factory spec reissue, all white with gold hardware. I've heard the new pickups are wound to bring in the mids more than the old pups, but that they still chime like a wine glass tapped with a tuning fork... That feels like a crappy simile, but I'm no English major, I'm just an amateur guitarist with an obsession for copycatting.