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#1
I've been thinking about this a lot lately, mostly because of my new found liking of Devil Wears Prada and We Came As Romans, but I think music is getting a little too over produced nowadays. I know I'm not the only one thinking this either. I think this is mostly pertaining to metal bands such as the previously mentioned DWP. When you listen to music like that the only thing you can hear is the damn kick drum and vocals. Barely hear guitar or bass or anything. Take August Burns Red's newest album. Its really good...but I can't even listen to it because all I hear is drums and vocals.

Autotune is another thing. Don't get me wrong...it is definitely useful when it comes to saving time in the studio and making the vocal tracks "perfect" but some bands are going overboard with it. What ever happened to just being good at singing?

Also its getting annoying with how many bands just plain old suck live but they're good on their CD. Which furthers my point. If you can't play or sound like what you do on a CD then you shouldn't be playing. But thanks to the magic of the studio, BAM! they're good.

Please discuss....
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Hence why I listen to and go and see jazz and classical groups... they generally sound good haha!
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#6
Depends what kind of band really. Some bands do sound overproduced but others sound just right even though they've been really heavily polished.
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#7
It's such a shame that the days of bands recording onto answer-machine cassette tapes, in a forest during a blizzard are long gone. Music isn't real music if on any format other than a wax record. The purity is protected that way, for the aesthetics and philosophy of a piece of music remains intact in such primitive conditions, and a beautiful exclusivity and immediacy is given to the music when limited to 47 copies per recording.

It's a disgusting new low to which the music world has stooped.
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#8
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If you can't play or sound like what you do on a CD then you shouldn't be playing. But thanks to the magic of the studio, BAM! they're good.



Yeah, fuck electronica!

I've honestly never understood why people will refuse to listen to an album if the band isn't good live. Does it matter? The music coming out of your speakers is enjoyable, so just enjoy it.
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#9
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement


JLS's new song is so autotuned
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#10
I personally don't believe in all that production. When my band records, it's gonna be pretty bare.
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#12
Production is just a tool.

It's like architecture. You can use modern engineering to make really cool buildings that are solar-powered and have a rainforest ecosystem in the lobby and swimming pools on the 207th floor, but you can also create these garish eyesores that basically ruin cities.

It all depends on who's using the tools.

If they suck, then their creations suck.
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#13
I think it's all down to personal taste. Coheed's new album was VERY produced, almost to the point of flabbergastery when I pondered how they would perform half the songs live, but I love it. All my favourite bands seem to be heading towards a more electronic/industrial path, and I'm not complaining at all.
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#14
BACK IN MY DAY.... WE DIDNT HAVE NO FANCY RECORDING STUDIOS, WE JUST DID THE TRACKS AND THAT WAS IT, NO BULLSHIT AUTOTUNE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY HEAR THE BASS, AND WE HAD REAL VOCALISTS, NOT BARKING DOGS GOING "ROOOF ROOOOFFFFFF"

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#15
What's so bad about a record sounding good? This is music, there are no rules. If you want to quad-track your guitars, do it. If you want to layer eleventy billion vocal tracks, go ahead. If you want to produce sounds by humping a microphone, ****ing do so.
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#16
some bands use the studio as an instrument. so ****ing what.

but if are referring to stuff like the loudness wars then yes, i agree.

I thought the Them Crooked Vultures album had a nice, organic, live-sounding production.
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#17
Less produced stuff sounds better. From a recording standpoint, the more production you have to do, the worse you are at your job. You should be able to most of your work with mic choice and placement.

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some bands use the studio as an instrument. so ****ing what.

This is the opposite of what TS is talking about I think. He's talking about the overuse of EQ, compression, pitch-correction, and other processing. Using the studio as an instrument refers to using the actual building as a way to add natural changes to the sound.
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#18
The metal bands that you mentioned are really budget produced I'm sure. Listen to other styles/bigger names in that genre and you'll hear a far better quality.
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BACK IN MY DAY.... WE DIDNT HAVE NO FANCY RECORDING STUDIOS, WE JUST DID THE TRACKS AND THAT WAS IT, NO BULLSHIT AUTOTUNE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY HEAR THE BASS, AND WE HAD REAL VOCALISTS, NOT BARKING DOGS GOING "ROOOF ROOOOFFFFFF"

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#22
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Less produced stuff sounds better. From a recording standpoint, the more production you have to do, the worse you are at your job. You should be able to most of your work with mic choice and placement.

Damnit, we should ban "should" from music. Oh wait, I just did it myself.
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#23
Music is just progressing.. if it sounded the same as it did 30 years ago it would just be boring
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#24
There's always a movement happening in the opposite direction. For every hundred bands that make a sound-a-like record in Pro-Tools for mass media consumption, there is always at least one renting a warehouse to bang on garbage can lids and break giant glass objects to create an organic, acoustic spacial sound.

You can find anything you want if you look for it.

Don't like over-produced pop music? Don't listen to it.
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#26
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What's so bad about a record sounding good? This is music, there are no rules. If you want to quad-track your guitars, do it. If you want to layer eleventy billion vocal tracks, go ahead. If you want to produce sounds by humping a microphone, ****ing do so.


completely agree. i like music to express exactly what the artist had in mind, not just attempt to express the idea with a half-assed live record. of course, being able to do it live is another thing - mainly bragging rights. i value the ability to compose well over the ability to play.

however, i want to say that autotune just sounds shitty.
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#27
Well, stuff's certainly getting more and more compressed and it's all about volume, so yeah I agree in the sense that I don't like where production has gone/is going. I prefer a more organic sound, which is probably partly why I find it hard to get into some of the newer stuff out there.
#28
I agree with the whole 'its what comes out of your speakers that matters when listening to an album' thing.

It's when a band e.g. dragonforce use studio trickery and sell music on the basis it's real is a bit pretentious.

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#29
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And you think that makes you better than everyone else?

Pretty sure that was sarcasm.
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It's when a band e.g. dragonforce use studio trickery and sell music on the basis it's real is a bit pretentious.

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#30
sgt peppers lonely hearts club anyone? its not like using the studio as a tool is new
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What's so bad about a record sounding good? This is music, there are no rules. If you want to quad-track your guitars, do it. If you want to layer eleventy billion vocal tracks, go ahead. If you want to produce sounds by humping a microphone, ****ing do so.


I don't consider a track being recorded and mixed to be smooth as shit and then mastered VERY LOUDLY so it stands out on the radio to be 'good'. Modern day 'loud' mastering destroys the dynamics of songs, luckily though i've heard in a few places that more and more people are trying to get the dynamics back, the latest slash album for instance is an example. Slash insisted that it was mastered to preserve the dynamic range of the tracks and not just so it would stand out due to it's loudness.
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Pretty sure that was sarcasm.

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There gigs compared to studio work. If apparently that's not fair because of the pressure on them live, there betcha can't play this video. For the selling thing, their sales increased exponentially with guitar hero.

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#33
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Well, stuff's certainly getting more and more compressed and it's all about volume, so yeah I agree in the sense that I don't like where production has gone/is going. I prefer a more organic sound, which is probably partly why I find it hard to get into some of the newer stuff out there.


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BACK IN MY DAY.... WE DIDNT HAVE NO FANCY RECORDING STUDIOS, WE JUST DID THE TRACKS AND THAT WAS IT, NO BULLSHIT AUTOTUNE, YOU COULD ACTUALLY HEAR THE BASS, AND WE HAD REAL VOCALISTS, NOT BARKING DOGS GOING "ROOOF ROOOOFFFFFF"

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I agree with the whole 'its what comes out of your speakers that matters when listening to an album' thing.

It's when a band e.g. dragonforce use studio trickery and sell music on the basis it's real is a bit pretentious.



And electronic artists taking the sound of a snare and reverse it, loop it and triple the tempo to turn it into a really cool beat isnt? It's the same thing using a different instrument.
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#36
Tool, Nine Inch Nails or Eric Johnson are some who seems to put a whole lot into producing their albums, to name some. They're all amazing live, as well.

However, I get your point, man. I'd like to point out that production in itself is an art, though, and if something sounds overproduced, they're doing it wrong!
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#38
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I don't consider a track being recorded and mixed to be smooth as shit and then mastered VERY LOUDLY so it stands out on the radio to be 'good'. Modern day 'loud' mastering destroys the dynamics of songs, luckily though i've heard in a few places that more and more people are trying to get the dynamics back, the latest slash album for instance is an example. Slash insisted that it was mastered to preserve the dynamic range of the tracks and not just so it would stand out due to it's loudness.
I agree the loudness wars is horrible, but I was under the impression that's not what this thread is about. More about tones that are highly layered and tuned to "perfection".
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There gigs compared to studio work. If apparently that's not fair because of the pressure on them live, there betcha can't play this video. For the selling thing, their sales increased exponentially with guitar hero.

What's wrong with sales increasing due to Guitar Hero? Anyway, this is no proof they used trickery in the studio to make their albums.
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#40
Anyone who complains about using a studio to their advantage is speaking out against Queen in my books.
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