#1
In my shopping for EMG dg20s, i found a company (and before when looking for 81/60s) called dragon fire. They offer "hotter" pickups then EMG. So i have 2 main questions.


1. Are They really hetter then EMGs?
2. Is the tone better then that of an EMG?
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#3
Quote by Artemis Entreri
Why in the lords name would you want a pickup any hotter than an EMG?


This doesn't really help him, but at the same time he has a point. EMGs (the active ones at least) are ridiculously hot. As for the tone I can't speak, but I'd say EMGs are probably at the very borderline between being downright nasty and just overkill.
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#4
I've got a set. They're hotter than EMG pickups in terms of sheer flat output spec-wise, but they don't actually hit your amp as hard as standard EMGs do, so in practical terms they are cooler. I'm also finding they're not quite as responsive, comparing my EMG 85 vs their alnico-based model (allegedly a copy of the 85).

Their single coil style pickups sound better than the EMG Strat singles I've heard (not as good as the EMG Tele singles though), but their humbucker style pickups aren't quite as good as the EMG versions. The Dragonfire control pots feel and sound considerably cheaper than EMG's too.


Edit: if your Vyper 15 is your only amp, don't get active pickups. They're not meant for that sort of amp and that sort of amp isn't meant to be paired with actives. It will sound terrible. Any passive pickups will be a better choice, though be aware that output means nothing with an amp like that anyway. Go for lower output - or at most medium output - passive pickups, you'll get the best response possible for that amp.
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Last edited by MrFlibble at Jun 14, 2010,
#5
I've never tried them, but they don't have any active pickups, except for one HSS set, so you are definitely not going to get the same tone from an EMG 81 or 60. These DragonFire pickups actually look pretty cheap and, quite frankly, terrible.

I know that price doesn't imply quality, but $40 for a set of two humbuckers? It's incomparable against leading pickup designers.
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#6
I know EMGs are really hot. It was more of a tone question. Cuz i really like the sound of the DGs.
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#7
Quote by Kyle Ross
but they don't have any active pickups, except for one HSS set
Actually, they have five pages of them.
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#8
CALM DOWN LADIES!

i was also wondering, would it be wroth it to get EMGs if i were to get the 60 watt tube off the vypyr?
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#9
Really, no. The Vyper Tube 60 is only valve in terms of the power amp, while the preamp is still solid state and it still has all the digital modelling which is what defines the tone; ultimately, it still sounds the same. It only reacts in a very slightly different way when you really crank it up in terms of overall volume; either way, active pickups still wouldn't be suitable.

Active pickups were designed for getting crystal-clean tones with very, very high-quality solid state amps. It just so happened they also provide a good tone for metal so long as you have either a high-quality, naturally high-gain, all-valve amp that can be driven harder by them, or if you have a much higher quality solid state amp that is designed with actives in mind (which usually costs somewhere over a grand; the Line 6 HD147 and Spider Valve 100 are the only solid state and hybrid amps I know of that cost less than a grand and that can sound good with active pickups for any kind of distorted tone).

I say this in most threads about active pickups: if you have to ask about them they're not for you. They're a specialised piece of gear and you have to have a specific kind of rig and playing style to get any benefit from them. When you know what you're doing, active pickups can sound fantastic - when you don't know what you're doing or if any single part of your rig isn't suitable, active pickups will make you sound worse than you could possibly imagine.
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Quote by MrFlibble
Really, no. The Vyper Tube 60 is only valve in terms of the power amp, while the preamp is still solid state and it still has all the digital modelling which is what defines the tone; ultimately, it still sounds the same. It only reacts in a very slightly different way when you really crank it up in terms of overall volume; either way, active pickups still wouldn't be suitable.

Active pickups were designed for getting crystal-clean tones with very, very high-quality solid state amps. It just so happened they also provide a good tone for metal so long as you have either a high-quality, naturally high-gain, all-valve amp that can be driven harder by them, or if you have a much higher quality solid state amp that is designed with actives in mind (which usually costs somewhere over a grand; the Line 6 HD147 and Spider Valve 100 are the only solid state and hybrid amps I know of that cost less than a grand and that can sound good with active pickups for any kind of distorted tone).

I say this in most threads about active pickups: if you have to ask about them they're not for you. They're a specialised piece of gear and you have to have a specific kind of rig and playing style to get any benefit from them. When you know what you're doing, active pickups can sound fantastic - when you don't know what you're doing or if any single part of your rig isn't suitable, active pickups will make you sound worse than you could possibly imagine.


This. And sorry to be snappy in my first post. But seriously. You don't need that much output OR active pups for ^ those. Reasons.
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#11
BUT! DAVID's TONE!

oh well, ill just get some nice dimarzios.

Thanks for feedback.
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#12
i've got dragon fires for my explorer. not as good as emg's but still pretty good. i noticed that the dragon fires tend to add a little more gain, so some clean sounds will sound kind of dirty. i fixed this by turning my guitar's volume know down a little until it doesn't sound that distorted. so if you don't have the money for emg's, consider dragon fires.
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