#1
I've currently got 2 guitars. I've got a Jackson DK2 loaded with a Duncan Distortion in the bridge position. I'm very happy with that sound.

Now for the guitar I'd like to change -

I've also just picked up a Jackson DK2M, with a maple neck, loaded with the stock JB4 in the bridge position. It sounds good. Not quite as good as the Distortion in the DK2, but good.

I'm a rhythm player, who likes that heavy, palm muted, chunky style riffing. I briefly considered popping an EMG 81 into the DK2M, but dont want to go active.

I've narrowed it down to 2. And it's the question for the ages - as I've been searching google and old forum threads on it for hours now. I want a L-500XL.

Now, for the smash your skull in sound that I'm looking for - which one is better - the Bill & Becky or the Bill Lawrence USA? If the amp matters, it's a XXX full stack, that I'll very soon be swapping EL34's into for the 6L6's that are there now.
#3
Its a matter of personal tastes... but if you're looking for Dimebag's pick up, you want Bill Lawrence USA NOT Bill & Becky.

Personally... I feel that they're pretty crap pickups... some people like it, I just find it shrill and bright.

I find the Seymour Duncan Custom 5 and the Custom Custom pretty nice for chunkiness.

anyways... here's a good post to tell the difference..

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https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=467725&highlight=bill+lawrence

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It has been proven in papers Willi Stitch is in fact an imposter pretending he made the original pups.
Im not saying the other ones are shiit, but theres some serious misconceptions surrounding these two rival companies.

This extract is from some site, im not going to argue anymore, im just saying the pups are virtual identical

As an Authorized Dealer of Seymour Duncan, Rio Grande, Van Zandt, Lace, L.R. Baggs and “Bill Lawrence USA” pickups, each and every day we are faced with a barrage of questions regarding Bill Lawrence pickups such as:

* “I spoke with Bill and Becky today and they say you must be selling Bill Lawrence knock-offs.”

* “Are you selling Bill Lawrence USA pickups, because I heard they’re inferior to the ones Bill and Becky makes.”

* “I heard Bill won’t be warranting any of those Bill Lawrence knock-offs anymore.”

* “How come your warranty says that Bill Lawrence guaranties your pickups, even though, Bill and Becky said they wouldn’t.”

First off, we at Music Bizness are committed to selling only the highest quality products. We don’t sell pickups made in Korea. We don’t sell pickups made in China. We don’t even sell pickups made in Japan. If a pickup is cheap and it doesn’t sound good, we flat out won’t sell it.

Secondly, we stand by everything we sell. Music Bizness is an Authorized Dealer for every brand we stock. As an Authorized Dealer, everything we sell carries a valid manufacturers’ warranty. Anytime you buy a Seymour Duncan, L.R. Baggs, Dean Markley, DigiTech, Van Zandt or Bill Lawrence product, you are covered. On top of the manufacturer’s warranty, we offer complete tech support and customer satisfaction guaranteed.

Now, let’s address the Bill Lawrence controversy with a series of perfunctory facts:

* Bill Lawrence is a trade mark owned by EZ Wajcman. The man who claims to be named Bill Lawrence is actually Willi Stich, AKA Billy Lorento and Bill Lawrence.

* EZ Wajcman purchased from Third National Bank In Nashville the rights to the Bill Lawrence trade name or any derivation thereof. Willi Stich registered a Servicemark to provide services. Ez Wajcman ownes the Bill Lawrence Trademark. By law, a service mark is for services and a trademark is for products.

* (Think about when Leo Fender sold the Fender Company. Afterward, he started a new company called G&L. Nothing he sold was called a Stratocaster or Telecaster, nor was it labeled Fender. Leo Fender no longer owned the trade name Fender, even though, it was his last name.)

* Willi Stich is an innovator in the pickup industry. His blade and samarium cobalt designs have made great advancements in the development of the noiseless “single coil” sound.

* The legally registred Trademark of Willi Stich is Wilde USA .

* The legal name of Jzchak Wajcman's pickup company is Bill Lawrence.

* When you visit billlawrence_com, you are visiting Willi Stich’s website.

* When you visit billlawrenceusa_com, you are visiting The Bill Lawrence Pickups Company website owned by Jzchak Wajcman.

* Pickups made by Willi and Becky Stich at Wilde USA are great pickups.

* Pickups made by Jzchak Wajcman at Bill Lawrence USA are great pickups.

* Some say Willi Stich’s pickups sound better.

* Some say Jzchak Wajcman L-500XL’s are more articulate and sound better.

* Some say Seymour Duncan’s pickups are the best.

* Some say DiMarzio’s are awesome.

* It's all a matter of taste!

* Currently, there is a bitter lawsuit regarding the Bill Lawrence trade name between Willi Stich and Jzchak Wajcman.

* The lawsuit originated when Willi Stich's and/or his wife, Becky, complained to eBay that people were violating their intellectual property rights by selling products under the Bill Lawrence name. The prestigious Dan Torres of Torres Engineering, who by no means would risk his reputation and company to sell knockoff Bill Lawrence pickups, was banned and prohibited from selling on eBay.

* Becky and Willi claim to have made the actual pickups that went into Dimebage Darell’s DEAN FROM HELL guitar. This is not true. Willi Stich had nothing to do with the Dimebag Darrell DEAN FROM HELL GUITAR. In addition, there are a multitude of documents regarding Washburn, and the Bill Lawrence Company as well as Dimebag interviews (one of which can be seen on youtube) to support this claim.

* Becky, Willi Stich’s wife, has repeatedly spread, for lack of a better word, propaganda on the Fender Forum and other guitar based forums and review sites regarding the fake, knock-off pickups labeled under the Bill Lawrence USA name.

* THERE ARE NO FAKE BILL LAWRENCE PICKUPS!!!

* In an attempt to fix the confusion, Jzchak Wajcman began labeling Bill Lawrence pickups as Bill Lawrence USA pickups. Unfortunately, doing so even furthered the confusion.

* Pickups made by Willi and Becky Stich’s company, Wilde USA, are manufactured in Corona, California. Their Pickups are made from quality materials, but on different machines than the ones used to make the world famous Dimebag Darrell L-500XL pickup

* Pickups made by the Bill Lawrence Company (USA), owned by Jzchak Wajcman, are manufactured in La Jolla, California. All pickups are made from only the best materials on the same machines used since 1982 that made world famous Dimebag Darrell L-500XL pickup

* If you call Becky and Willi Stich at Wylde USA, they may tell you that Bill Lawrence(USA) pickups are knock offs or imitations and won’t warranty those pickups. Unfortunately, in my own opinion, if Willi and Becky, were more forthright, they would simply say, “Oh, we don’t make those pickups that’s why we don’t warranty them, but Bill Lawrence USA does. Here’s their number so they can take care of you and get your pickup fixed.”

I feel we have been honest and forthright in presenting the facts regarding the Bill Lawrence controversy. For more information, you can go to the Bill Lawrence USA home page. Although the Bill Lawrence Company’s website is not the prettiest page, you can see the evidence and facts regarding this matter.

Please, I urge each and every one of you to cut through all the propaganda and know that both companies make great pickups. Choosing the right pickup ultimately comes down to one decision, “does it sound great to you? ” We sell hundreds of Bill Lawrence USA pickups, and nearly all of them agree, they're great pickups.We think so, too.
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#4
^Wow, i never knew that, i thought it was the bill & becky ones that went into dimes guitar. Since aesthetically ive never seen his guitar pups stamped with the Bill Lawrence USA logo. And they have an old pic of dime with the chrome ring around the pickups. Couldve been photoshopped.

But i looked into that youtube video, and it isnt really clear tbh.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TLrtPJpH5S4
#5
I knew about the Bill Lawrence USA pups being the ones that Dimebag for a long time... then I put it out of my mind for about 3 years... then the next time I looked it up I couldn't find it again... and stumbled on to the Bill & Becky website and got uber confused.

Yeah you are right, beckyjc it is very difficult to determine it from videos.
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#6
I was refering to this part

and the Bill Lawrence Company as well as Dimebag interviews (one of which can be seen on youtube)

He just says bill lawrence and he buys em from stewmac...
#7
Quote by beckyjc
I was refering to this part

and the Bill Lawrence Company as well as Dimebag interviews (one of which can be seen on youtube)

He just says bill lawrence and he buys em from stewmac...


Oh right... I thought you were trying to do what a few people on UG did (i.e. try to look out for the BLUSA logo)

I think someone once commented that Stewmac only carried BLUSA pickups before... not sure about that tho.
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#8
Thanks for the input, guys. I'm leaning towards the Bill & Becky pickup, but I really dont know. My lead guitarist is trying to get me to put in a Super Distortion or an EMG 81, but I want something different that's going to sound good.
#9
Ever think of going boutique with some handwounds? I always wanted to try some Wolfetone pickups, w00t made in the USA. Sadly havent had the chance
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#10
FWIW I had a Bill & Becky with the chrome ring in an LTD EC-1000 and it both looked and sounded amazing. Plus it was only about $60 shipped.

If you want heavy and chunky without batteries, the L-500XL is a great pickup. My friend has a BLUSA L-500XL and they sound very similar, but I don't like the BLUSA quite as much. It could be the differences between the two guitars.