#1
I'm thinking of trying to learn to sing at the same time as play guitar. For months I've looked for a vocalist for my band, and I'm been thinking, there's no harm in training myself to sing just in case I'm good, what do I know, I could be?

Only thing is, I enjoy guitar ALOT and would not be willing to give it up completely to be the vocalist, so that's why I want to learn, even if I have to be content with being rythym guitarist only.

In any case, I've know a great lead guitarist who can play some very fast solos (Tornado of Souls, Eruption etc) very skillfully and he's interested in starting an old school metal band, like Megadeth or Metallica kind of thing, with the odd Sabbath cover thrown in.

So anyway, I think it's worth a try, so any tips on learning?
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#2
It's just a lot of practice. Be sure to stand while playing. That's a kicker, because you need to be upright to sing well, so the transition to the stage will be easier. Otherwise, just practice.
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#3
Practicing is about all you can do.

It took me about 2 months to get the just of it, and I still have problems with more intricate singing while playing (like when playing lead lines).

Start with some easy few chord songs, like Good Riddance or basically anything by Green Day (I'm serious.)

Then get a little more complicated with like an Oasis song or something... it just takes practice.
#4
Start with the early rock/rockabilly songs that were being performed by young musicians who needed simple arrangements for one or two people. Fred Sokolow did a one-disc rockabilly method disc that has some tabs and lyrics and he sings while playing some of the stuff on the disc. You can get it from Netflix.
#5
Well the Green Day and Oasis stuff isn't really my style, I've got a sort of Dave Mustaine style snarling voice, more of an 80's metal kind of thing...

I have tried to do Paranoid by Black Sabbath and it was really difficult, I just can't do it at the same time, but I also tried Iron Man by Black Sabbath and that was easy because the singing matches the riff
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#6
Regardless of it being your style or not, you need to start practising on how to completely divide your brain into two parts: Singing and playing guitar. It's a lot harder than it seems, even with 'easy' stuff like Green Day.

You didn't start off on the guitar by nailing anything by Megadeth, and this is at least three times as hard.
#7
Yeah man, just saying, I don't like Green Day or Oasis, so I'd rather do some simple stuff from bands I do like, which I'm sure is possible. Like all classic rock and old school metal and also blues and jazz
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#9
Yeah man, I like Nirvana
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#10
Start out with songs in which the guitar playing mimicks the singing. A good example of this would be Bad Kids by Black Lips, great song too. It's still going to take a lot of practice. you should also try to play the song slowly since it should be easier to sing and progressively speeding it up to normal speed as you get the hang of it. Good luck!
#11
well i blow at singing, but i learned by standing up and start playing the song. Then i open up a really long article about whatever, and as i play, i read the article out loud. that helped me alot.
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#12
Try practicing something by Megadeth that has a steady rhythm, such as Peace Sells. Singing and playing simultaneously is no little thing for most people. It takes a hell of a lot of practice. Then again, so does learning to play the guitar. You'll get it if you apply yourself.
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#13
"for whom the bell tolls" and "enter sandman" are both pretty easy to sing while playing.
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#14
this probably isn't your style but a lot of A Day to Remember songs go at decent speeds and are pretty easy to play, and could train your regular vocals and guttural/growling/shouted vocal abilities (don't bash me for this please i didn't know how else to put it hahaha)
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"for whom the bell tolls" and "enter sandman" are both pretty easy to sing while playing.

Also Whiplash is a good one to learn too. It's good to get you started, as the verse riff is nothing complicated, it's easy to pick up. Also, Dirty Deeds Done Dirt Cheap isn't bad either.
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It's just a lot of practice. Be sure to stand while playing. That's a kicker, because you need to be upright to sing well, so the transition to the stage will be easier. Otherwise, just practice.


This and practice with rhythms. Not sure how to explain it, but it helps a lot.
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#17
I would also like to throw in the verse to "Iron Man." It was probably the first song you learned how to play, so why not go back to your roots
That, and Iron Man's vocals and guitar are the exact same rhythm
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#18
look up some punk man.

also learning to sing while you play is a lot like two hand tapping. at first its like "ZOMG two thingz at oneGAHH" but then it gets pretty easy.
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#19
First song I ever sang and played was Wagon Wheel - Old Crow Medicine Show.

It's 4 easy chords so it's not hard to pick up on when to say whatever. Just gotta practice I guess.
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#20
You just have to think of the words and guitar bits in sections. Its just two different rythms at the same time...and when you're playing rythm guitar its fairly simple to get this down because everything is in the same tempo. So find a song with a few chords and start hammering away...I started out by humming the vocal melody and then gradually got more comfortable with words. So keep practicing....and practice A LOT!
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#21
A good way to start, is to play the song and just hum along. When you get comfortable, throw in the odd word, then all the words. You'll get the knack of it eventually mate, but it will take a couple of months at least.
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#22
alright thanks for your advice guys

Oh, and about the vocal style, I'm not into screaming and growling, I only like clean vocals but yeah, I'll try as many of these songs as I can. As for Peace Sells, that sounds like a good one to try, seeing as I know the lyrics off by heart anyway
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#23
Bob Dylan. Pretty much any of his 1960s folk stuff. I know you're thinking more about Metal style music, but who doesn't like Dylan?
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A good way to start, is to play the song and just hum along. When you get comfortable, throw in the odd word, then all the words

Yeah it worked on mine
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#26
Try singing rhythm based vocals. Songs like "Jumper" by Third Eye Blind and "Smells Like Teen Spirit" by Nirvana are good songs to practice.
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Bob Dylan. Pretty much any of his 1960s folk stuff. I know you're thinking more about Metal style music, but who doesn't like Dylan?


Yeah man, who DOESENT like Dylan, it should be like a criminal offence not to don't get me wrong, I'm into classic rock too, but right now, my main interest is in old school metal. I think some Dylan tracks are exactly what I need, thanks dude And I know the lyrics to a whole bunch of them (who doesen't?)
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#29
It looks easy when you see someone else do it, but when you try it yourself. it is amazing how difficult it becomes. Whenever I try, I lose concentration. Either my guitar playing goes to shit or my singing does. I guess it takes some practice before you become proficient at both.

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#30
Imagine how long it took John Mayer to be able to solo and sing at the same time. Now THAT gets babes.

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#31
i started singing and playing with Enter Sandman, which was kinda tricky but not horrible, and Seek and Destroy is incredibly easy to pick up, like said before find songs that keep a consistent rhythm throughout the verse, then gradually move up. also throw in a random super hard one, just to keep you trying for something. im still attempting to be able to play/sing That Was Just Your Life
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#32
Like all these guys have said, practice with a couple of easy songs.

I learn't by playing some old Nickelback, and some Social Distortion. Most Social Distortion songs have only 3 chords in the songs.. Such as, "Ball and chain". But I learn't how to play and sing on the Nickelback song, "Leader of men". It's an easy some with your basic chords of E, G, and D.. It's taken me a few months to learn. But progress yourself to harder songs as you learn. You'll be singing and playing in no time.
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Well the Green Day and Oasis stuff isn't really my style, I've got a sort of Dave Mustaine style snarling voice, more of an 80's metal kind of thing...

I have tried to do Paranoid by Black Sabbath and it was really difficult, I just can't do it at the same time, but I also tried Iron Man by Black Sabbath and that was easy because the singing matches the riff


i actually always practice singing and playing with symphony of destruction. 3 easy riffs, dont have to think about picking patterns and whatnot. try it out

ps try mother by danzig too
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#34
I have found, that as a singer/ songwriter/ lead+rhythm guitar player, that by writing a song and writing the guitar part/s, youy get a better feel about the singing. So, when I've just written a song, I can pick up my guitar and play it straight away. I've been playing guitar, both acoustic and electric for five years now, and singing for about a year. So not really that long. But I think also by writing your own song,s you'll enhance yourself as a musician. And certainyl if you are to be the singer, you'll need to think about lyrics, as in most cases lyrics are written by the singer. try writing a song and the guitar part, and I'm sure you'll find it alot easier. As, through writing it, you'll be practising the two at the same time
#35
Now that we are on topic, any ideas about how to tune your voice so that it matches the key that the song is in???

Any suggestions would be welcome.

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#36
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Yeah man, just saying, I don't like Green Day or Oasis, so I'd rather do some simple stuff from bands I do like, which I'm sure is possible. Like all classic rock and old school metal and also blues and jazz

Regardless of whether or not you like it, it's still a good idea to start there. For instance, I hate the song 'The Way of the Fist' by Five Finger Death Punch, but it's a good exercise for me in terms of fast chugs. It's the same concept here: you may not like the song, but it's a good exercise for you, and that's the point.
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