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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15292267?source=rss_emailed&nclick_check=1

Wow. So the voters of California had decided they didn't want gay marriage in the state, but the gay lobby is trying to change that? It's official: we're no longer a democracy, our government is no longer run by the people, but by special interests. And please, this isn't a gay marriage thread, there are plenty of those, I'm just upset that the lobbies and the courts are going against what the voters wanted.
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The "voters" are fucking cunts and it should be overturned. Fuck democracy in this case.
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Rights of the people should override the democratic process imo. Yes you have a RIGHT to democracy, gay people also have a RIGHT to equal opportunity.


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Rights of the people should override the democratic process imo. Yes you have a RIGHT to democracy, gay people also have a RIGHT to equal opportunity.

Where is the right when you buy a licence to get married? They voted to restrict selling licences. If you didn't have to buy a licence I'd agree.
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#8
looks like TS just got his opinion turned around.
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#9
To me this just shows the futility of voting. No matter how hard you try, and no matter how much you vote, the government can just overturn anything. It's not about rights, it's about the government screwing the people out of political power.
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To me this just shows the futility of voting. No matter how hard you try, and no matter how much you vote, the government can just overturn anything. It's not about rights, it's about the government screwing the people out of political power.


I've said it before and I'll say it again... The gov't doesn't give a ****. Even though Obama is so commonly depicted as this left-wing nutter socialist, truth is he still looks out for the top 5% of wealth before any other group. The Gov't doesn't have a care in the world about a minority group in Cali who don't want gay people to be married.
#11
Why not let gays marry? As long as they don't go imposing their beliefs on me, im fine. And whatever happened to Land of the Free? Shouldnt they be free to marry if they want. And don't even go back to the old," Marriage is between a man and a woman, it says so in the bible," because we are technically a secular country. just my two cents.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again... The gov't doesn't give a ****. Even though Obama is so commonly depicted as this left-wing nutter socialist, truth is he still looks out for the top 5% of wealth before any other group. The Gov't doesn't have a care in the world about a minority group in Cali who don't want gay people to be married.


No, no, no. Prop 8 was to ban gay marriage, and it passed in a landslide. The gay lobby IS the special interest; I made the thread to point out that special interests aren't always the classic "greedy big business." If the majority of the people of CA don't want gay marriage, which was proven by the election, the government shouldn't force it on them.

And don't turn this into a marriage debate, there are lots of those threads and I don't want this one closed.
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The "voters" are fucking cunts and it should be overturned. Fuck democracy in this case.

^This. Usually, I'm all for democratic process, but the fact that this made it to a vote is ridiculous. Since when do we get to vote on others rights? This is like telling black people or Australians they cant legally be a couple. Fucking ridiculous.
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Won't people realize that no real religion should be taken literally in it's texts? If we supposedly sinned and damned ourselves, wouldn't we go to write corrupted texts? I think the Bible should be taken metaphorically. How do you suggest explaining evolution to mankind back then? I don't think it's right to damn someone for loving another person.

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Rights of the people should override the democratic process imo. Yes you have a RIGHT to democracy, gay people also have a RIGHT to equal opportunity.


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#16
I think it's entirely valid, given that prop 8 is backwards and driven by the kind of people who would support Jim Crow laws. Nobody should be able to vote away the rights of any specific group; it's a gross, atavistic take on democracy. How you can confuse it for the real thing is beyond me.
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#17
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No, no, no. Prop 8 was to ban gay marriage, and it passed in a landslide. The gay lobby IS the special interest; I made the thread to point out that special interests aren't always the classic "greedy big business." If the majority of the people of CA don't want gay marriage, which was proven by the election, the government shouldn't force it on them.

And don't turn this into a marriage debate, there are lots of those threads and I don't want this one closed.

So by recognizing gay marriages to exist within fictional state lines, the government would be forcing gay marriage on Californians? Perhaps, at the most, they would be forcing Californians to live in a world that allows gay marriage. Too bad for them that gay marriage already exists.

It is a great example of how special interest groups aren't always big businesses though, I will give you that. Sometimes they actually are used to represent real living hurting human beings! Shock!
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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15292267?source=rss_emailed&nclick_check=1

Wow. So the voters of California had decided they didn't want gay marriage in the state, but the gay lobby is trying to change that? It's official: we're no longer a democracy, our government is no longer run by the people, but by special interests. And please, this isn't a gay marriage thread, there are plenty of those, I'm just upset that the lobbies and the courts are going against what the voters wanted.


-If voters voted Obama dictator - there would be outrage.
-If voters voted to take away the citizenship of black people - there would be outrage.
-If the voters voted to ban certain religions from America - there would be outrage.
-If the voters voted to shutdown Fox News - there would be outrage (Yes I'm aware you cheecky bastards are going to make a "There would be no outrage" joke)

The bottom of line is no matter what voters decide - if it violates the rights of certain people it shouldn't go into law. The rights of all people and all groups need to be protected no matter what.
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If a large majority of the American people voted to call N. Korea up and tell them to nuke our asses tomorrow, would you be supporting democracy? No. Youd be like "Dayaam America, wth is wrong witchu? You stupid or somethin? Oh nu-uh *snap snap headshift*"

Thats how stupid this is. If Americans become that stupid, by god I say let special interests and govt jump in! And I dont know why I made you a black girl with an attitude, TS. Are you a black chick with an attitude? I think thats the important question here.

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If a large majority of the American people voted to call N. Korea up and tell them to nuke our asses tomorrow, would you be supporting democracy? No. Youd be like "Dayaam America, wth is wrong witchu? You stupid or somethin? Oh nu-uh *snap snap headshift*"

Thats how stupid this is. If Americans become that stupid, by god I say let special interests and govt jump in! And I dont know why I made you a black girl with an attitude, TS. Are you a black chick with an attitude? I think thats the important question here.

I dunno what im trying to say. Im drunk and tired. Im going to bed.

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#21
America is not a democracy. It never has been. It's a representational republic. Go learn the difference.
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America is not a democracy. It never has been. It's a representational republic. Go learn the difference.

In this case it is democratic; it isn't an elected official, it's voters voting directly on a Proposition.
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No, no, no. Prop 8 was to ban gay marriage, and it passed in a landslide. The gay lobby IS the special interest; I made the thread to point out that special interests aren't always the classic "greedy big business." If the majority of the people of CA don't want gay marriage, which was proven by the election, the government shouldn't force it on them.

And don't turn this into a marriage debate, there are lots of those threads and I don't want this one closed.


Ah. I should have read the article.

I thought this was the other prop that was to allow gay marriage from a while ago. We don't get these constant updates here in Aus.
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In this case it is democratic; it isn't an elected official, it's voters voting directly on a Proposition.

I defer to my previous post. Most propositions fail in court,
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#27
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America is disgusting if you really all voted to ban gay marriage.

Right. We're disgusting cuz we disagree with you. Liberal types are always so accepting of everyone until they disagree on something.
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Right. We're disgusting cuz we disagree with you. Liberal types are always so accepting of everyone until they disagree on something.

Why shouldn't gays be allowed to marry? Defend it, go on.
#29
If Rupert Murdoch controlled news stations have taught us anything it's that the public is always right.

Hopefully we'll soon get to vote on shit like this in the UK.

Maybe we can send those immigrants back where they came from and stop scientists making vaccines that give our kids autism.
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I think that democracy was created to give us our rights, not take them away.
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No, no, no. Prop 8 was to ban gay marriage, and it passed in a landslide. The gay lobby IS the special interest; I made the thread to point out that special interests aren't always the classic "greedy big business." If the majority of the people of CA don't want gay marriage, which was proven by the election, the government shouldn't force it on them.

And don't turn this into a marriage debate, there are lots of those threads and I don't want this one closed.

It was not a landslide, thank you very much. And you can sue over the legality of any law, regardless of it being passed by voters or in Congress
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#32
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No, no, no. Prop 8 was to ban gay marriage, and it passed in a landslide. The gay lobby IS the special interest; I made the thread to point out that special interests aren't always the classic "greedy big business." If the majority of the people of CA don't want gay marriage, which was proven by the election, the government shouldn't force it on them.

And don't turn this into a marriage debate, there are lots of those threads and I don't want this one closed.

52% is hardly a landslide.
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#33
The Mormons bought the vote anyway.

Edit: Mormons donated 70% of the money for the Yes on 8 campaign and yet only 2% of California is mormon.
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Quote by rgrockr
No, no, no. Prop 8 was to ban gay marriage, and it passed in a landslide. The gay lobby IS the special interest; I made the thread to point out that special interests aren't always the classic "greedy big business." If the majority of the people of CA don't want gay marriage, which was proven by the election, the government shouldn't force it on them.

And don't turn this into a marriage debate, there are lots of those threads and I don't want this one closed.


Bullshit. It didn't win by even 5%. Albeit it's on the far end of it, I'd say it was within the margin of error, and within two years that could easily have changed.
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#35
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52% is hardly a landslide.
In that case, I think we should have a revote, and put up notices in all the Catholic churches in California telling them the voting's on a different day.
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News flash: you're in the US!

Deal with it.
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#37
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Y0GyBTIKg (sort of goes off into a tangent, but still relevant)

I think it's down right tyrannical that people can be so brainwashed and so diluted to the facts.
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Rights of the people should override the democratic process imo. Yes you have a RIGHT to democracy, gay people also have a RIGHT to equal opportunity.

okay glad to see we're done here.
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http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_15292267?source=rss_emailed&nclick_check=1

Wow. So the voters of California had decided they didn't want gay marriage in the state, but the gay lobby is trying to change that? It's official: we're no longer a democracy, our government is no longer run by the people, but by special interests. And please, this isn't a gay marriage thread, there are plenty of those, I'm just upset that the lobbies and the courts are going against what the voters wanted.


hehehehehehe. Proposition 8 is an ammendment to California's Constitution which means, the Courts do not have the power to overthrow a constitutional ammendment only enforce or interpret it.

Doesn't matter anyways, the court will rule in favor of it.

Another interesting fact which will prove why "gay-rights" advocates are insignificant.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/118378/Majority-Americans-Continue-Oppose-Gay-Marriage.aspx
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The Mormons bought the vote anyway.

Edit: Mormons donated 70% of the money for the Yes on 8 campaign and yet only 2% of California is mormon.


Doesn't Matter, the majority of voter who voted for Prop 8 were Hispanic Catholics.
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