#1
i was putting two EMG 81's in my VM SG, and i have swapped pickups tons before and never ran into this issue. i checked resistance and contanuity everywhere, but what i am wondering is...

you know on emg's they have the outer braid that you solder as ground, and you solder the inner wire to the switch (it is hot). would it have been possible to melt the casing on the thin wire inside and shorted the hot to the ground?

any other ideas are great.

also i checked the dumb things. i have a battery in it, turned all of the pots all the way in both directions (in case somehow i wired a pot backwards, and used the switch in all positions.
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#2
is there any way you could sketch in paint exactly how you have it wired?


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#3
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is there any way you could sketch in paint exactly how you have it wired?


no but i will link you to the schematic. i am positive that every wire is matching.

first diagram on third page. 1 vol 1 tone with gibson style toggle swicth.


http://www.emginc.com/content/wiringdiagrams/EMG-H-60-81-85_r0230-0014a.pdf
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#4
Check how you've wired the jack.
That is where I would start.
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#5
Quote by truespin
Check how you've wired the jack.
That is where I would start.


i will give that a look.


anybody have anythiing on burning through the shielding on the inner wire? or is that hardly possible.
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#6
Well, are you actually getting any sound out of it at all?
What sort of symptoms are you getting?
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#8
Wait, are these really old EMGs? The only ones ive ever seen either had minimal soldering a couple of years ago or now no soldering at all, ive never heard of them with the metal sleeve to ground
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#9
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Well, are you actually getting any sound out of it at all?
What sort of symptoms are you getting?


no sound whatsoever.

the bridge ground is attached.

and yea, the emg's have got to be five plus years old.
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#11
Quote by Tinderwet
It shouldn't be.

This.

But it shouldn't stop them from making noise.

Check voltage on the battery, I guess.

Probably time to pick through your wiring and check for bad connections.

Edit: For what it's worth, using a stereo instrument cable would cause the pickups to not power up.
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#12
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This.

But it shouldn't stop them from making noise.


Yeah you're right. The problem's still something else.
#13
try, flipping the pins on the back connection of the EMG's you knwo the ones that actually connect it to a wire, they may be on upside down. its worth a try? and to stop having to restring it and stuff, just place a phone with music on over the pup that is selected and sound shoudl come out of the amp.

good luck man
#14
Quote by Lespauljames
try, flipping the pins on the back connection of the EMG's you knwo the ones that actually connect it to a wire, they may be on upside down. its worth a try? and to stop having to restring it and stuff, just place a phone with music on over the pup that is selected and sound shoudl come out of the amp.

good luck man



This was the next thing I was thinking of.
I always just peck at the pickups with a screwdriver to see if they make noise.
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#15
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try, flipping the pins on the back connection of the EMG's you knwo the ones that actually connect it to a wire, they may be on upside down. its worth a try? and to stop having to restring it and stuff, just place a phone with music on over the pup that is selected and sound shoudl come out of the amp.

good luck man


i flipped the connecters today, and it turns out they were in backwards, pulled off the ground, checked every connection i could think of, attacked it with a DVOM, and it still doesn't work. i am about to desolder every connection and start over again.

would there be any reason that the gibson stock switch wouldn't work with EMG's?
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#16
Did you change the output jack in your guitar to the one coming with the EMGs? Your switch should work fine.
#17
Quote by Tinderwet
Did you change the output jack in your guitar to the one coming with the EMGs? Your switch should work fine.


yes, its the standard EMG output jack.
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#19
Quote by trashedlostfdup
would it have been possible to melt the casing on the thin wire inside and shorted the hot to the ground?

Yes, that's possible.

Have you tried different batteries? It sounds like the pickups aren't getting any power to them.
#20
Quote by zakkwyldefan79
Yes, that's possible.

Have you tried different batteries? It sounds like the pickups aren't getting any power to them.


i was actually able to pull out the inner wire, and the shielding is not damaged. i couldn't do the same on the other, but at least one would work ir only one wires shielding is broken, wouldn't it?

i have tried several batteries. one of them at least has to be good, i felt the jolt when i licked them... lol.
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#21
http://www.emginc.com/products/category/231/101

You could get one of these(not my pic). I got one because I have an old style 58 and a new style 81. You can solder directly to the board that comes with it and plug in the output jack, battery etc. It worked pretty good for me even though I had to solder another wire from the shield(ground) wire to the little board. There are different styles depending on what you need.
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#22
Quote by zakkwyldefan79
Yes, that's possible.

Have you tried different batteries? It sounds like the pickups aren't getting any power to them.


EMGs make some sound even with no batteries attached, only it's a very weak output.
#23
Try hooking up the pickup straight to the output jack or the volume pot to see if it's the pickup selector. After that, start wiring it to eliminate if other components are the problem.
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#24
Quote by Bertallica
Try hooking up the pickup straight to the output jack or the volume pot to see if it's the pickup selector. After that, start wiring it to eliminate if other components are the problem.


i suppose thats next...

thanks for the help guys.
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#25
Quote by Tinderwet
EMGs make some sound even with no batteries attached, only it's a very weak output.

Not always. Sometimes there will be no sound at all.

Here's what EMG says:
What happens if the battery runs out?
Because active pickups are designed from the ground up to operate as active pickups, they’re not very functional when deprived of power. As the battery weakens over time, the output level will reduce and become more distorted. When you hear that happening, it’s time to change the battery. Below a certain voltage, the onboard active circuitry will stop working. At that point, you will hear little or no output from the guitar.

And that's talking about a dead battery, but I'm sure the same would be true if no battery was installed or a wire to or from the battery was hooked up wrong.
#26
Quote by zakkwyldefan79
And that's talking about a dead battery, but I'm sure the same would be true if no battery was installed or a wire to or from the battery was hooked up wrong.


Well my ones do make a sound with no battery attached.