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I was going to write some guitar gear fan fiction but I went to karaoke and everyone knows karaoke is code for get drunk and hit on townies so I'm just going to shut my brain down and let me fingers do the walking. I mean talking. ladies.

THE BOGNER XTC 101B!!

Well, I sold my CAA OD100SE+ to pick this up and I sure wish I didn't. This is one of those often hyped amps. After about spending a week with it I have to say..I don't know what the hype is all about.

But for all of you that are interested in this amp here is some information. This is Bogner's flagship channel switching amp. 4 El34 output tubes, 6 12ax7 preamp tubes, 3 channels and more buttons, knobs, and switches then a game of wack a mole.



Look at this thing. It's like a drunk triple rectifier.

From left to right we've got:
Excursion A, Medium, Loose, Tight
Excursion B, Medium, Loose, Tight
Excursion B Channel Select
Green channel, Gain, Treble, Mid, Bass, Master Volume, boost select, bright 1, normal, bright 2
Blue Channel, Gain, Treble, Mid, Bass, Master Volume
Red Channel, Gain, Treble, Mid, Bass, Master Volume
on top of that you got Plexi mode Blue/Red, Gain Structure, Boost Structure, Bright, Normal, Bright 2

There's even more shit on the back



Loop in/out, serial/parallel, channel select, old/new, full power/halfpower

There's too much shit here.

Sounds: I was very very disappointed. For all the hype, I expected Reinhardt's free choice master piece to blow me away. I didn't. I wasn't even moved. It was like waking up next to a slightly chunky girl. Not that that's every happened.

The excursion control is something like a presence/touch/speaker feedback control. Mid pushes the mids a little, loose let's more bass through, tight shuts down everything and makes the sound very dry and articulate.

The boost for all 3 channels kicks in an extra gain stage. The plexi mode takes out a gain stage and makes the master volume more sensitive.

The bright 1 makes things very bright, normal is normal, bright 2 pushes the mids a little bit as well.

Channels:

Green: The Green was alright. There are a lot of usable sounds here. Good luck finding them. With the excursion all the way off and the bright set to B1 there were some nice shimmering cleans. Here are the clips

This is the Green channel being played through with the eq at about 9-12 master volume dimed and gain at 1

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/normal.mp3

This is the Green channel in a more traditional configuration of master/gain at noon

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/green%20test.mp3

Here, I switch between the bright boosts. What was nice was that the sound never got ice picky.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/green%20bright.mp3

Here is me messing with the excursion. You'll notice that there is a definite low-end shift between m/l/t with T being the driest.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/green%20exursion.mp3

Here is the green channel in high gain mode. It actually produces quite a nice crunch.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/green%20boost.mp3

All in all, it's a passable clean channel. It's not a blackface or a vox but it's very usable.

Blue Channel: This is one of the 2 high gain channels. It's voiced with a bit of mid emphasis and does not have the saturation of the red channel. In unboosted mode it produces a very nice crunch. In boosted mode it remains crunchy and articulate.

First clip is blue channel with the master volume dimed and gain at 9-10.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/blue%20normal.mp3

Here is the bright switch at work. Again, no icepick.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/blue%20bright.mp3

Boosted and crunchy.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/blue%20gain1.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/blue%20gain%202.mp3

This is a decent amount of gain I suppose

Plexi mode takes out a preamp gain stage and allows the master volume to be brought up more...which allows for more power tube distortion.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/blue%20plexi%20mode.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/blue%20plexi2.mp3

Red Channel:
The red channel is supposed to be the xtc's saturated modern metal channel. It was alright.

Here's the red with the master volume dimed

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/red%20run%20through.mp3

Here's the red in high gain mode

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/red%20boost.mp3
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/red%20gain%202.mp3

Here's all the channels in half power triode mode
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/xtc/oldhalf.mp3

Final Thoughts:
I wish I was impressed with this amp. For over 3k new you'd think there would be something amazing about this amplifier. I didn't find it. It really sounds like buying 3 or 4 average amps and them jamming them together into one amp. It doesn't have the best cleans, the best crunch, or the best gain out of any of the amps I've tried so far. It wins in versatility but all the knobs, switches, and options just means that there are many many ways to dial this amp in incorrectly and only a few that doesn't sound like a rug got draped over the entire rig. Bleh.


AMP2: Happy happy face. The Soldano Super Lead Overdrive 100.

Initial thoughts: This amp gave me wood. It should give you wood too. If you haven't played one yet, do it.

The Super Lead Overdrive is Mike Soldano's flagship high gain amplifier. It really is a legend in it's own time. Here's how it looks:



Super simple on the front compared to the XTC. From left to right there is only the bright/normal switch and below that the clean/crunch voicing for the clean channel.

Then there is the preamp controls for the clean/overdrive channel, the shared tone stack for both channels, the master volume for each channel and then the presence control.

Thoughts: This amp is pure sex. The design philosophy behind the XTC seems to be that there are a bunch of sounds and Bogner gives you access to all of them. The SLO simply states that there are 3 sounds that are worth having and Soldano gives you access to those three and only those three but they are dialed in perfectly.

Channel 1 is the clean/crunch channel. These are really 2 very different channels but since they are not foot-switchable they count as only one channel.

Cleans: The cleans aren't bad. Again, they aren't blackface, vox, or dumble cleans but they are a step above the average recto or generic high gain amp cleans. Very usable.

First clip is master dimed gain low.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/slo/slo%20clean.mp3

Second clip is the master low and the gain dimed.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/slo/slo%20clean%20dimed.mp3

The channel 1 crunch voicing is when the amp really starts to shine. The crunch channel has as much gain as most other amps do on their high gain setting.

Here is the master dimed, gain low
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/slo/slo%20crunch.mp3

Gain dimed, Master low
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/slo/slo%20crunch%20dimed.mp3

For most types of music, a dimed gain crunch channel would be all you need.

The SLO doesn't stop there though.

Channel 2 overdrive. This channel is the nuts. There aren't any words capable of describing just how raw this shit is.

Here is the overdrive channel with the master volumed dimed and the gain set low.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/slo/nuts.mp3

Here is the gain dimed and the master opened up a bit. This is the nuts. Nothing else does this. It's so crazy it's unbelievable. It's like metal coming and ****ing you in the face. I'm having a seizure while I'm recording due to anxiety because the second I lose control, feedback comes and shatters my guitar.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/slo/theseapples.mp3

This is my grail amp. It has more gain then I'll ever use. For most purposes.

wait most purposes? but what else could you need....???

How about the tightest, driest, low end thump, unforgiving articulation ever. How about the opposite of a Mesa Rectifier. How about wrestling a bear.
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NEW AMP DAY. That's right. The final part of grail amp week. Let me introduce....

The VHT Deliverance. As in deliver me from weak sauce low end gain.

Here's my new baby.



It's umm there on the bottom. Running 4 KT88s for 120watts of totally clean headroom. Power tube distortion what? Eff that. 5 Preamp Tubes, 4+ gain stages and total control over every aspect of your gain.

Let's check out the front panel.



Very very simple one channel amp. All you get is gain. From left to right:

The first gain controls the first 2 gain stages. It goes from tight to thick/saturated. The second gain knob controls the actual voicing of the gain. It goes from tight and grainy to super thick milkshake bring the boys to the yard. Then there is a standard tone stack and a master volume followed by presence and then a depth control. Simple.

The range of sounds you can get out of this is amazing. The more and less switch linked to the gain channel determines how much initial gain the first gain pot controls. Less is a lot. More is a hell of a lot. The second gain stage goes from a little to way to much over the top crazy. It's awesome.

The amp dials in some nice cleans too.

This is an almost clean voicing
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/deli/deliverancelesslowgain.mp3

Here is 100 percent saturation on the less gain setting
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/deli/deliverancelesshigain.mp3

This is a crunch voicing
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/deli/delimorelow.mp3

Here is the amp beginning to get saturated
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/deli/delimoremid.mp3

Here is about 90 percent saturation
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/deli/delimorehi.mp3

This is where I take my pants off
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/deli/devliballsout.mp3

It can do the crunch of the slo but also does a super saturated thump that I haven't heard from any amp before. It's the perfect high gain baritone amp. The XTC didn't do that much for me but this amp is like getting morning wood that won't go away.

It's amazing. It's simple, and it sounds awesome.

Well...that's all for now.

Here's some random clips of my dumble clone

Super duper cleans
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/fuchs/odsallclean.mp3

crunch crunch crunch
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/fuchs/ods100cleancrunch.mp3

80s metal dumble
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/fuchs/ods100gain.mp3

Here's what spring reverb tank sounds like after a lot of drugs
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/fuchs/imunderwasser.mp3

well that's that.

All clips recorded with.
Paul Reed Smith Hollowbody Spruce running Bare Knuckle Pickups Warpigs calibrated set in the Neck/Bridge.
12-60 DR Custom Strings Tuned to E
Germino 412 Slant Cab Running 4 Scumback M75-65s
Recorded through a Shure M57
Dunlop Ultex 2.0 Pick.
Special guest appearances from my cat.
All NOS Preamp Tubes.

clappityclappityclappityclap.
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I completely agree on the XTC.


As well as the soldano giving wood when played.
It also impregnates women who stand too close to it and makes your eardrums make love to your brain.
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Last edited by thefrigginbob at Jun 22, 2010,
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Quote by thefrigginbob
I completely agree on the XTC.


As well as the soldano giving wood when played.
It also impregnates women who stand too close to it and makes your eardrums make love to your brain.


just like me. I wish I loved the xtc. But I wish more that I had the od100se+ back. : (.
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#5
I assume from the way the SLO is set up that you can blend the normal and OD channels? That seems like a really promising tone shaping tool, i.e. blending in a little brighter/cleaner sound with that heavy OD. Probably pulls the pick attack right to the front.
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Quote by Roc8995
I assume from the way the SLO is set up that you can blend the normal and OD channels? That seems like a really promising tone shaping tool, i.e. blending in a little brighter/cleaner sound with that heavy OD. Probably pulls the pick attack right to the front.


no you can't do that. It should be possible though since the clean/crunch and the od channel use different preamp tubes.

But otherwise it's pretty logically set up.
Crunch low gain starts where clean dimed gain ends.
od low gain starts where crunch dimed gain ends and continues from there.

edit: I'll get right on that John as soon as I play a real marshal and figure out what it sounds like.

maybe it sounds like this?

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7394209/higainamps/fuchs/lucky%207%202.mp3

warning 20 seconds of dead space.
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Last edited by AcousticMirror at Jun 22, 2010,
#8
So how do you switch between the normal and overdrive? It seems like you could just play with the channel volume controls to blend in that flavor.
Feel free to mail it to me for further testing.

Edit: I really like that last clip you just posted. Really punchy and articulate for something with much gain. Not nearly as much compression as you'd usually get with that style of amp.
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the clip right above you? Lol. That's not a high gain amp at all. Probably why would liked it. That's a seven watt single ended amp running full tilt. That's all power tube distortion.

On the slo it goes channel 1 is normal with a switch that takes it into crunch mode so you can have cleans or crunchy cleans but not both. There's a big volume difference between the two modes so they aren't something you would be able to switch between. The overdrive channel is channel 2. There's a footswitch between one and two. So you can have cleans and overdrive. Or you can have crunch and overdrive. It's possible to set the overdrive channel to clean up by diming the master and putting the gain a lot lower so you could have crunch and cleans or cleans and overdrive crunch. You just can't have all 3.

The decatone is true 3 channel with individual gain/volume controls so you have three usable channels. The slo has 2 usable channels and the first channel has 2 voicings that aren't footswitchable.
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Last edited by AcousticMirror at Jun 22, 2010,
#10
I told you not to get the XTC, but you did anyway
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#11
i want the slo!
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#12
Never been to crazy about the XTC myself, now the Uber, that's a whole other story.
#13
the bogner, is it cuz it's a guitar center amp?



a lot of clips to listen to, this could take some time.
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#14
AM, what interface are you using with the sm57?
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amps:
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#15
of the cleans i liked the slo best.

also, how loud are you recording these clips?
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#17
Is the Deliverance less dry than other VHT/Fryette models, like the Pittbull? That's how they advertised it...
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Quote by AcousticMirror
the clip right above you? Lol. That's not a high gain amp at all. Probably why would liked it. That's a seven watt single ended amp running full tilt. That's all power tube distortion.

You bastard, you keep making me want that Lucky 7 when I can't afford it. I thought it was the SLO on a mid-gain setting.
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Quote by gregs1020
of the cleans i liked the slo best.

also, how loud are you recording these clips?


like loud movie in a home theater level. the clips that sound the quietest with gain were actually the loudest. I had to hamfist my mic input when I switched channels a couple of times to prevent ol.

recording info is on the bottom
interface is a shure sm57 into an art tubepre into a saffire firewire interface.
prs hollowbody spruce with warpigs is the guitar.
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#23
Ramble on.
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Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
#24
Quote by Roc8995
You bastard, you keep making me want that Lucky 7 when I can't afford it. I thought it was the SLO on a mid-gain setting.


how do you know you can't afford a lucky 7. you haven't even asked.
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#25
I quite enjoy waking up next to slightly chunky girls.

How does the Soldano Decatone compare to the flagship one in this review, anyone know?

Also, that third amp looks very interesting, never heard of it before.
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#26
VERY nice. I've always liked SLOs. They are a beast, raw and dangerous.

So you said an SLO (maybe A/B'ed with a Fender Twin) was to be your live rig. Now that you have it I take it your plans are unperturbed?
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Quote by AcousticMirror
like loud movie in a home theater level. the clips that sound the quietest with gain were actually the loudest. I had to hamfist my mic input when I switched channels a couple of times to prevent ol.

kayo. yea the gain stuff needs a sufficiant amout of volume to sound decent imo. not so much with cleans is my experience.
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Quote by Cathbard
VERY nice. I've always liked SLOs. They are a beast, raw and dangerous.

So you said an SLO (maybe A/B'ed with a Fender Twin) was to be your live rig. Now that you have it I take it your plans are unperturbed?

Gigging? Did you listen to the clips?


Just kidding AM, you've made some serious improvement for someone that's been playing less than a year. If I had gone at that rate the whole time I've been playing I'd be John Petrucci by now. Unfortunately I'd be willing to bet Mike Portnoy is a better guitarist than me.
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Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
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ya no change there. i'm still trying to move the xtc.
the fuchs ods100 dropped into the fender that I picked up a while ago is perfect for cleans.

Deliverances are going for like 800-900 dollars right now used. With the depth knob and the ability to dial in touch and gain it's a perfect downtuning baritone amp. It costs me probably a little less then it would have to get my slo modified with a depth knob + foot switchable effects loop.

....

I play piano in the project I'm working on with a friend.....
lulz.
he plays acoustic guitar
double lulz
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Last edited by AcousticMirror at Jun 22, 2010,
#31
Ramble on.
Quote by Cathbard
Quote by Raijouta
Unless its electronic drums.

BURN THE WITCH!!!!!
#32
Gonna sing my song.
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#35
Quote by SwampAshSpecial
SLO100 is the last amp I'll ever need... oh except for maybe a big, KT88 powered VHT of some kind




the deliverance is so awesome. both the deli and the sig x have been going for 800-1200. I loves it.
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#36
AM would sell your mic tube preamp?

you could upgrade if you did
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amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#38
Thanks, cheapest I could find was $50 on an mp.

Hate to be a Bother, but would you record a clip with and without the tube preamp? If you have already, got a link?
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LTD Alexi-600 White & Black
LTD Alexi-200 Black(Death Adder pickup & Gold OFR)
Agile Interceptor Pro 727 7-string
Jackson JS30RR rhoads
Jackson DKMGT
Squire telecaster

amps:
Bugera 6262 212 loaded with WGS veteran 30's
#39
awesome

i liked the xtc i tried, but i know what you mean, none of the tones was really amazing. with a lot of those more versatile amps you are trading one awesome/amazing tone for several "good" ones.

Liked the deliverance a lot. Not enough to buy, but I liked it.

Loved the avenger i tried. if the slo is better (and it's meant to be), it's bound to be amazing. it looks like a home computer designed in the 80s and I still want one.
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#40
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Thanks, cheapest I could find was $50 on an mp.

Hate to be a Bother, but would you record a clip with and without the tube preamp? If you have already, got a link?


it all depends on your interface.

The tupe pre is good enough that you can shoot a signal into a mic in on a soundcard and get some signal.

The preamps on the saffire aren't very good so it makes a pretty big difference getting a hot enough signal. It's not powerful enough to drive my ribbon mics at all.

I'll throw some clips up later if I have the time.
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