Poll: to ban or not to ban?
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View poll results: to ban or not to ban?
ban it
42 36%
don't ban it
52 44%
don't care either way
23 20%
Voters: 117.
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#2
Yep, the only thing I have to say is that this is total bullshit...

Although one of those things must be very impractical to wear in the Summer, especially in Spain.
#3
It should be banned from being unremovable, which I don't know if it is or not. If you ask someone to take it off, they must take it off. Same with any clothing.
#4
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It should be banned from being unremovable, which I don't know if it is or not. If you ask someone to take it off, they must take it off. Same with any clothing.

I agree, but it's part of their religion, and as you know, Islam > any European law.
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#6
Well UK made it illegal to wear hoods or hats into stores I think...


This is the same. You don't know who is hiding behind that burqa. That's why the want it illegal.


I don't think Allah is going to smite women for not wearing them. Maybe some angry Muslim men, but whatever. Full body coverings serve no purpose in any society. Strict archaic beliefs such as this one should be done away with. I hate to sound arrogant and/or ignorant, but Spain isn't the same as the middle east. It's not a big deal, and in some ways quite justified IMO. Many other countries plan to do the same at one point or another.


EDIT: just to be clear, I'm talking about these:



not these:




I think those are both burkas?
Last edited by Tedward at Jun 23, 2010,
#7
Quote by Tedward
Well UK made it illegal to wear hoods or hats into stores I think...


This is the same. You don't know who is hiding behind that burqa. That's why the want it illegal.


I don't think Allah is going to smite women for not wearing them. Maybe some angry Muslim men, but whatever. Full body coverings serve no purpose in any society. Strict archaic beliefs such as this one should be done away with. I hate to sound arrogant and/or ignorant, but Spain isn't the same as the middle east. It's not a big deal, and in some ways quite justified IMO. Many other countries plan to do the same at one point or another.


Not the point. Freedom to do whatever the fuck you like as long as it doesn't harm someone else serves a huge purpose in any society.
#8
Quote by Ninja Vampirate
Not the point. Freedom to do whatever the fuck you like as long as it doesn't harm someone else serves a huge purpose in any society.


+1,

who are you to say "what serves a purpose"? This law would be taking freedom away.
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Not the point. Freedom to do whatever the fuck you like as long as it doesn't harm someone else serves a huge purpose in any society.

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#10
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Not the point. Freedom to do whatever the fuck you like as long as it doesn't harm someone else serves a huge purpose in any society.



Well I'm fairly certain 90% of Muslim women woudn't wear burkas if they didn't have to...
#11
I seriously don't see any point of wearing a Burqa in the 21 century, I believe that the Islam should be modernised, but not through forced bans. I think that the Muslims should take the initiative and modernise the Islam laws them selves. (however that's unlikely to happen)
#12
I personally don't care. I don't live in Spain
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#13
I think completely banning them is no better than forcing people to wear them. I don't really see a difference. I suppose you should have to take it off only in security matters. For example, in Canada, you don't have to take off your turban whilst in the court room, and that kind of stuff. That was a real case here.
#15
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Quote by Tedward
Well I'm fairly certain 90% of Muslim women woudn't wear burkas if they didn't have to...


They don't have to. I suppose their husbands/families might force them to, but that's another issue, in my opinion. It shouldn't be illegal to wear them.
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#16
I don't think you need to ban them everywhere, but ban them in places where you need them to be banned, like schools and banks and things.
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#17
With all the problems in the World, Europe focuses on removing the plague that is a... Burqa.
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#18
I find it weird when people say making the Burqa illegal is imposing on their freedom - seeing how that outfit and Islam in general can be very constraining on women's rights/freedoms.
#19
Burkas, public enemy #1
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#21
It's absolutely stupid to wear, and something religious, so I don't agree with wearing it. BUt what can you do?

They should make it law to remove it when needed by law. Like taking a picture for passport or license. Or being in a public place like a bank or something, which someone else has already stated.

I'd love for it to be banned, because I think it's ridiculous, looks bad, is a symbol of sexism and a symbol of religion. But I know that's unreasonable and just opinion.
But reason also says that they must take it off when appropriate to do so. They should not play the religion card. That card should not even exist.
#22
a few of my old friends are muslim.
all of them tell me that it's a cultural thing in the countries they originate from, and has been cultural since before the religion came about.

personally, i think that if you move yourself into a different country, you should at least try to fit in a little with those around you.
#24
I think it's a stupid ban. There's nothing justifying it and all the arguments for it can easily be analysed and destroyed.
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#25
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#26
Ban it

Public safety always, ALWAYS is more important than religion.

Everyone has theur reight to expres their religion, but it shouldn't harm or distress others.

If someone becomes a scientologist it's cool, but that doesn't mean they can go firing high-tech sci-fi lasers at people.
#27
Don't ban it. Europe is going bat shit crazy about Islam and I find it annoying.
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#28
They should just ban it from stores and stuff to stop people from shoplifting and what not. Banning it all together is just stupid.
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#29
Quote by Ninja Vampirate
Ninjas?


They don't have to. I suppose their husbands/families might force them to, but that's another issue, in my opinion. It shouldn't be illegal to wear them.



Have you ever heard the term "honour crimes"?


They happen a lot. Just 2 weeks ago a Mom stabbed her daughter for staying out all night, and disgracing her family.

Or read about what happened July last year:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/three-arrested-in-the-deaths-of-four-muslim-women-the-deaths-of-four-montreal-women-who-were-found-d.html


Personally, I'd be shit scared to walk out without a burka in defiance of a husband or father (hypothetically of course )


I'm not taking shots at you or anything, but to say that banning burkas is against freedom, is pretty much saying you don't believe in womens rights in a way.

#30
Quote by Tedward
Have you ever heard the term "honour crimes"?


They happen a lot. Just 2 weeks ago a Mom stabbed her daughter for staying out all night, and disgracing her family.

Or read about what happened July last year:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/three-arrested-in-the-deaths-of-four-muslim-women-the-deaths-of-four-montreal-women-who-were-found-d.html


Personally, I'd be shit scared to walk out without a burka in defiance of a husband or father (hypothetically of course )


I'm not taking shots at you or anything, but to say that banning burkas is against freedom, is pretty much saying you don't believe in womens rights in a way.



Aren't honor killings a product of Arab culture, and not Islam?

Banning something religious is taking away freedom. Most of the Muslim women in Europe that choose to wear the burka wear it for religious reasons. Why not support her right to cover herself up?
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#31
Have you ever heard the term "honour crimes"?


They happen a lot. Just 2 weeks ago a Mom stabbed her daughter for staying out all night, and disgracing her family.

Or read about what happened July last year:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/three-arrested-in-the-deaths-of-four-muslim-women-the-deaths-of-four-montreal-women-who-were-found-d.html


Personally, I'd be shit scared to walk out without a burka in defiance of a husband or father (hypothetically of course )


I'm not taking shots at you or anything, but to say that banning burkas is against freedom, is pretty much saying you don't believe in womens rights in a way.

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And look at the WBC, all white westerners are gay hating lunatics.

Isn't stereotyping a large group based on the actions of a very small group fun...?
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#32
Quote by Tedward
Have you ever heard the term "honour crimes"?


They happen a lot. Just 2 weeks ago a Mom stabbed her daughter for staying out all night, and disgracing her family.

Or read about what happened July last year:

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/07/three-arrested-in-the-deaths-of-four-muslim-women-the-deaths-of-four-montreal-women-who-were-found-d.html


Personally, I'd be shit scared to walk out without a burka in defiance of a husband or father (hypothetically of course )


I'm not taking shots at you or anything, but to say that banning burkas is against freedom, is pretty much saying you don't believe in womens rights in a way.



That's quite a large leap of logic to make.
#33
Stereotypes usually have at least some truth behind them, at one point or another.

I mean look at Texas... that's a huge chunk of the USA that are gay-hating lunatics


The fact is, crazy shit still happens because of culture-clashes. The world needs a bit of assimilation to make things a bit more calm in the long run. Immigrants into western society just got the short straw unfortunately for them.

An example: would you be opposed to banning the capital punishment of "beheading by sword" in Saudi Arabia because that's taking away their freedom of culture?


EDIT: I'm picking on the Middle East but crazy stuff happens everywhere, like the last guy to be killed by firing squad in Utah.
#34
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Ban it

Public safety always, ALWAYS is more important than religion.



Can you show me some examples where they were a public safety hazard? Not just reasons why they could be, but actual stories about them being a hazard.


I'd like to see that they are actually a serious threat before I decide if it is a good or bad idea.
#35
Quote by Tedward
Stereotypes usually have at least some truth behind them, at one point or another.

I mean look at Texas... that's a huge chunk of the USA that are gay-hating lunatics


The fact is, crazy shit still happens because of culture-clashes. The world needs a bit of assimilation to make things a bit more calm in the long run. Immigrants into western society just got the short straw unfortunately for them.

An example: would you be opposed to banning the capital punishment of "beheading by sword" in Saudi Arabia because that's taking away their freedom of culture?


No, it's irrelevant. It has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever.
#36
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No, it's irrelevant. It has absolutely nothing to do with this whatsoever.


quote Kensai not me. He brought up stereotypes.


Also, since when was the world Free? 4000 BC?
#37
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Can you show me some examples where they were a public safety hazard? Not just reasons why they could be, but actual stories about them being a hazard.


I'd like to see that they are actually a serious threat before I decide if it is a good or bad idea.


http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/07/2812378.htm


Not an extreme example, luckily there are none(that I know of)
#38
Quote by Tedward
quote Kensai not me. He brought up stereotypes.


Also, since when was the world Free? 4000 BC?


It's not. It should be.
#39
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/02/07/2812378.htm


Not an extreme example, luckily there are none(that I know of)






If there aren't any extreme examples then why ban them? Should other things that could potentially be a hazard be banned?


I'd understand a ban if there was a constant stream of crimes being committed by people wearing them, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
#40
It should be illegal to force someone to wear it, but the thing itself shouldn't be illegal to wear (except when identification is needed).
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