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#1
http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=18815

The White House press release was full of buzz phrases, but short on details. It did however indicate that the U.S. government may increasingly monitor filesharing networks and BitTorrent sites and assist media groups in their prosecution/threat letter efforts. It speaks of improved "law enforcement efforts at the Federal, state and local level."

The biggest effort, though, will be devoted to cracking down on piracy websites in the U.S. and overseas. The administration was short on details of how exactly it would convince piracy-loving nations like China to change their ways, but it did say it would try to do so by "being as public as we possibly can" about infringement.


The White House's vision is perhaps a prelude to the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which will go before Congress later this year. The bill would make P2P or BitTorrent client development a criminal offense if the distributed software was used for infringement. It also implements an interesting provision called "imminent infringement", which allows the government to charge people who they think might be about to infringe with a civil offense (for example if you searched "torrent daft punk"). This is among the first official "thought crime" provisions to be proposed by the U.S. government. The bill also makes it a criminal offense to bypass DRM.


I personally don't like this.
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#2
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#3
thats not as bad as the bill that got put through in the UK
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#4
I wish they eliminated spam, not piracy.
Or at least eliminated spam first. IMO, spam is more of a problem.
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#6
meh, people will find a way around this. and when the government find a way to stop that, pirates will find a new way again.
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#7
I havent got the message. What does this mean for the internet users?
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#8
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thats not as bad as the bill that got put through in the UK

Or sweden =/

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I wish they eliminated spam, not piracy.
Or at least eliminated spam first. IMO, spam is more of a problem.

Spam might be infinitely more annoying but it's difficult to get rid of and not worth the cost I guess.
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#9
they don't care about piracy, this is another one of their ways of trying to further monitor us in every aspect, frickin big brother
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#10
****.


That is all.

Wait, no it's not. They've been saying this for years and years. They're trying to be the all powerful government and scare people into stop pirating. There are bigger issues than piracy in the US right now. Nothing will change.
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thats not as bad as the bill that got put through in the UK

Which is?
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#17
Government attempts to stop piracy using tactic A.

Pirates find way around government by using solution A.

Government attempts to stop piracy and solution A by enforcing tactic A and introducing tactic B.

Pirates create solution B and continue to pirate.

Lars Ulrich sues a music website.

See how it all repeats?
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#18
So does that mean only torrenting sites, or are rapidshare, megaupload, etc. going to be monitored as well?

Either way, if people want to pirate songs and movies and software badly enough, they will find a way.
#19
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they're cracking down on stealing? what a travesty.

People aren't making a profit off of the torrents/files. It's more like sharing but I rather not get into the debate about whether torrents and the like are good or bad.
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#20
This is the important part

The White House's vision is perhaps a prelude to the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which will go before Congress later this year. The bill would make P2P or BitTorrent client development a criminal offense if the distributed software was used for infringement. It also implements an interesting provision called "imminent infringement", which allows the government to charge people who they think might be about to infringe with a civil offense (for example if you searched "torrent daft punk"). This is among the first official "thought crime" provisions to be proposed by the U.S. government. The bill also makes it a criminal offense to bypass DRM.

The rest is just noise
#21
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People aren't making a profit off of the torrents/files. It's more like sharing but I rather not get into the debate about whether torrents and the like are good or bad.


That's the problem.
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#22
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That's the problem.

I meant the users who upload them and download them. They aren't selling the files for a smaller price than the dvd companies. They are giving them away for free.

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The rest is just noise

I just copied and pasted part of it. I didn't really focus too much on what paragraph was the best.
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#23
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Which is?


The Digital economy act, google or search bar it.


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#24
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I meant the users who upload them and download them. They aren't selling the files for a smaller price than the dvd companies. They are giving them away for free.


So if I steal something from you, and give it away for free, it's okay?

My point is that it's illegal, and that can't really be changed.
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#26
Laptop > Library or other Wifi spot > Torrent like crazy > Go home happy with new stuff

edit: Also, Rapidshit/Mediafire/Megaupload.
#27
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So if I steal something from you, and give it away for free, it's okay?

My point is that it's illegal, and that can't really be changed.

They obviously have to purchase whatever it is in order to upload it in the first place. Plus stealing something from me isn't the same as a file that can be copied. It's not like what I have is actually gone.
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#28
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They obviously have to purchase whatever it is in order to upload it in the first place. Plus stealing something from me isn't the same as a file that can be copied. It's not like what I have is actually gone.


So you make a beautiful table out of wood, it's so good that you patent it. But someone pays you for a copy of the plans for it, for their own use. But then they use the plans to mass produce it and give it away for free. You don't make any money from their actions.

Is that not stealing?
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#29
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So if I steal something from you, and give it away for free, it's okay?

My point is that it's illegal, and that can't really be changed.





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#30
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So if I steal something from you, and give it away for free, it's okay?

My point is that it's illegal, and that can't really be changed.

That's completely different.

If my band has a record out and some goes in and buys it, then go home and burn 1000 copies and hands them out for free, then that's great for me. Cause that's probably 750 people who wouldn't have listened to it otherwise and helps promote my music.

Pirating isn't stealing from bands, it's from the record companies. And some wouldn't even buy what they're pirating in the first place. It's not a big problem IMHO.
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#31
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That's completely different.

If my band has a record out and some goes in and buys it, then go home and burn 1000 copies and hands them out for free, then that's great for me. Cause that's probably 750 people who wouldn't have listened to it otherwise and helps promote my music.

Pirating isn't stealing from bands, it's from the record companies. And some wouldn't even buy what they're pirating in the first place. It's not a big problem IMHO.


Fair enough. It's not like Warner Bros or Viacom are short on money.

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#32
It also implements an interesting provision called "imminent infringement", which allows the government to charge people who they think might be about to infringe with a civil offense (for example if you searched "torrent daft punk").


That is disgusting.
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#33
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That's completely different.

If my band has a record out and some goes in and buys it, then go home and burn 1000 copies and hands them out for free, then that's great for me. Cause that's probably 750 people who wouldn't have listened to it otherwise and helps promote my music.

Pirating isn't stealing from bands, it's from the record companies. And some wouldn't even buy what they're pirating in the first place. It's not a big problem IMHO.


That's a different debate. As long as people realize that pirating is stealing, I'm fine.
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#34
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So you make a beautiful table out of wood, it's so good that you patent it. But someone pays you for a copy of the plans for it, for their own use. But then they use the plans to mass produce it and give it away for free. You don't make any money from their actions.

Is that not stealing?

Well I sold the plans to them...so no. It's not stealing.
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#35
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That is disgusting.


I guess that means I can't search pictures of pirates anymore because I'd get sent to prison.
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I guess that means I can't search pictures of pirates anymore because I'd get sent to prison.


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#37
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That's completely different.

If my band has a record out and some goes in and buys it, then go home and burn 1000 copies and hands them out for free, then that's great for me. Cause that's probably 750 people who wouldn't have listened to it otherwise and helps promote my music.

Pirating isn't stealing from bands, it's from the record companies. And some wouldn't even buy what they're pirating in the first place. It's not a big problem IMHO.

I might be blowing air out my ass, but I think that record companies make bands pay for a certain amount if they don't sell enough of a CD.
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#38
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That is disgusting.


Someone call the ACLU!


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Well I sold the plans to them...so no. It's not stealing.


You sold it for their personal use. Not to copy and give out to everyone.
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#39
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Someone call the ACLU!


You sold it for their personal use. Not to copy and give out to everyone.

Meh.
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