#1
I have a choice: I can get either a Virgin or a Viper. What do I buy? After reading reviews, I'm thinkin' the Viper, but I'm only 12 and I've been playing for about six months now, so my opinion may be slightly flawed. What do you guys think is better? I'm a big Devin Townsend fan, and thus I would like a guitar that handles both clean and echoey 'mellow shit' and extremely distorted metal equally well. Opinions, please?
(Additionally, I will be using a Peavey VYPYR to play the guitar, so if I get a Viper... a Viper through a VYPYR!)
#2
I find B.C. Riches aren't too great, and ESP is pretty darn good.

P.S. You've got pretty high expectations for that price range.
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#3
I'd get the Viper. But they're both very... meh. Vyprys a good choice, and from what I remember you have to be 13 to register for this forum.
#4
Well, as much as the Virgin is an utter sexiness machine, I'd go with the Viper. The Virgin is *REALLY* small(I actually couldn't play the one I found last year comfortably because of the size...it was that small. I thought it was Warlock-sized or something...o_o), and lower to mid-range BC Riches tend to be crap, and they're definitely not suited for playing clean stuff. Mind you, I've never played a Viper, but I've never heard anything bad about ESPs, and the ones I played(some Superstrat and a Laiho V) were fairly good(BUT THEY DON'T MAKE LEFTIES. D=).
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#6
Out of the two, PLEASE get the Viper. You would regret the B.C. Rich so much.











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#8
as someone who used to play a B.C Rich. DON'T BUY ONE. the construction is pretty shoddy. even the really expensive models (I had a V with the I.T neck joint [that one that had the Widow headstock on the back of the guitar from the neck) and i hated it from the word go. yes they have the wow factor.

but ive always tested guitars i like against the ESP equivalent. (never bought one mind) they are fantastic to play and Vipers are the way to go. they have fantastic necks and the construction even on the 50 series makes the handcrafted BC's feel like they've been made by some 2 year old in korea or something.

go with the ESP,

but. don't think of it as a Viper through a Vyper. think of it as the hardware and wood. the name makes no difference to tone...
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#9
Bear in mind that I've never played on a Virgin. I think there's too much stereotypes regarding BC Riches. I own one (Bich) and I can tell you that it sounds great on clean (I rarely use any distortion or overdrive) and it's quite versatile. And since I never played on a Viper, I can only suggest you to try both guitars before deciding. You're not buying the guitar for any of us and it only matters what you think of the guitars and how they feel/sound like to you. Hate towards an entire brand is just stupid. Try them both and decide for yourself.
#10
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I think there's too much stereotypes regarding BC Riches.

This.

I don't know about the ESP (they seem nice from what I've seen hanging in stores), but I'm definitely happy with my BC Rich. Had no problem playing cleans with it with stock pickups, let alone playing clean with Q-Tuners (that's uber-clean). Plus it's build is very solid, not worse than any other guitar's. Only the inlays were a bit 'meh' in quality, but that's all.
#11
I'd go with the Viper for sure. Lower-end LTD's are a bit more promising than low-end B.C. Rich. I'd almost consider a Viper-100FM for $20 more... but comparing the specs, theres really no difference except for the flamed maple top.
#12
Several things:
First, thank you all for your intelligently phrased responses. I know - intelligence on the internet! Lor'! *ahem.*
Second, I don't remember ever having to enter my birthdate, and besides: I turn thirteen in a few months.
Third, I live in Australia, not America. Because of this, Musician's Friend is completely inapplicable to me, and a Viper-100FM is going to cost a lot more than just 20 dollars more than a Viper-50. (It's actually going to cost $470 to get the Viper-50. FFFUUUU-)
Fourth, I'm not thinking of it as a Viper through a VYPYR. I thought it was interesting coincidence that the names of my amp and my (possible) future guitar are pronounced the same.
Finally, do you think it would be better to go even further and buy an LTD EX50?
Last edited by knotrice at Jun 26, 2010,
#14
I have no idea; I haven't played one yet. I did play a Virgin today, though, and it sounded fine and played well.
But that's just my inexperienced opinion.
#15
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I have no idea; I haven't played one yet. I did play a Virgin today, though, and it sounded fine and played well.
But that's just my inexperienced opinion.

Well if you like it, get it. =P It doesn't matter if you're "inexperienced", I was "inexperienced" when I bought my Dean, and I still love that guitar to bits a year later(our anniversary's in a week. <3 =D), amd I don't see that changing, even after playing MIA Fenders and Gibsons.
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#16
Well, now I think that next week (when I'm on holidays) I'll go out to the guitar shop and try out the Viper and probably the Virgin again, and make my decision. Thank you all again for replying.
(Also, congratulations on your anniversary with your Dean, Enix! What are you going to get it? )
#17
Everyone always hates on BC Riches, and Usually I don't back them up, but in general that LTD is better than the BC Rich. Once you get up to the higher models, however, I would love to get my hands on an ASM Pro or Gunslinger
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#18
Quote by knotrice
Second, I don't remember ever having to enter my birthdate, and besides: I turn thirteen in a few months.

To register on these forums there's always that request if you're 13 or older or under 13, in which case you're supposed to get somebody to register for you. I remember those times when I would click on "I'm older than 13" too, even if I wasn't... but that didn't happen often, I was about 12 when I got my first "real" PC (that thing before was an old business laptop with Windows NT... so, forget any gaming on that thing ^^). I've clicked on "I'm older than 18" a lot more times than on the "I'm older than 13" button anyways... ;P

If you can get that direct comparison between the guitars it's the best thing that can happen: You choose based on what you feel. Go for the one that feels better to you.
#19
I may be slightly biased as I own two ESP's already, but get the Viper. ESP construction is much better than BC Rich, as my friend had some Mid-range BC Rich with a tribal sort of inlay (don't know the exact model) and either of my guitars blew it out of the water.
#20
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I may be slightly biased as I own two ESP's already, but get the Viper. ESP construction is much better than BC Rich, as my friend had some Mid-range BC Rich with a tribal sort of inlay (don't know the exact model) and either of my guitars blew it out of the water.

I think that's a Warlock, then. That's another possible guitar for me, as I found a place that sells them for $400 AUD (within my price range).
Anyone round here actually own a Viper-50 themselves?
#21
Spec wise, I'd choose the Viper due to it being Basswood and that's better than the Virgin's Agathis. It also has a TOM bridge which I prefer to the wraparound on the Virgin. If you want a much better BC Rich I suggest you go with the ASM Standard. Beat Street Music sells them for $300.
#22
get the viper but if u get the virgin please get the standard and not the virgin 1, still shitty viper > virgin on a good day
Eh.
#23
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from what I remember you have to be 13 to register for this forum.



lol...

Isn't it kind of sad that you find yourself enforcing this?
#24
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Do they ship to Australia? (I assume the answer is NO.)

EDIT: THEY DO. MY GOD. (Shipping is $150 USD though, so my budget is probably $300 USD max. Recommendations, people.)
EDIT EDIT: Is this guitar any good?
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#25
I love how the op is 12 and has better grammar than a lot of the posters around here. Anyway both guitars are pretty cheap budget minded instruments so i don't honestly think there is much of a difference in quality between the two.

You could probably look on the used market and see whats on offer there to get something better for your money.

BC rich obviously has a reputation because a lot of people buy them as there first guitar for the whacky shapes and they are just cheap guitars really. Although some of the new midrange models like the gunslingers etc are quite nice looking for the price.
#26
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BC rich obviously has a reputation because a lot of people buy them as there first guitar for the whacky shapes and they are just cheap guitars really.

If you get a midranged model, you're getting a good guitar with a whacky shape (or an ASM ^^). I wouldn't trade away my Virgo, because it's a very good guitar and priced at around 500$ at the time. But then again you can't expect much of cheaper guitars... they are what they are, and with a bit of luck you might pick a single guitar that shines compared to the big rest.
Trying before buying is usually the best way to go, though I got both of my guitars over the internet based on reviews or a few comments on amazon (my Dragon ^^). If you're prepared to fix stuff on your own (OM NOM NOM... voiding warranties), then you can pick up a really cheap guitar and make a very good instrument out of it.

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Is this guitar any good?

Playable, I suppose. Based on features I would say the Viper is the best choice now (ebony fretboard, EMGs), but if you could get a Virgin Standard it would be rather awesome. But what ever, I'm biased anyways. ^^
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#27
Thats what i'm saying. The new gunslingers although i havent tried them look to be solid 80s style shred axes especially the ones from last year with the dimarzio/dimarzios . Original Floyd Rose too.
#28
Mate, avoid the low-end BC Richs, they are crap - I used to own one. Low-end ESPs aren't much better.

Where do you live? Is there a Billy Hydes store nearby?
#29
FUW MOAR POYNTS 2 MAEK!!!!:
1. Thank you, coolstoryangus.
2. I live in Perth, and according to the Billy Hydes website, there is a shop in North Perth.
3. While I like the metallllll!-ish guitars, I actually prefer the Les Paul shape, and notice that Billy Hyde music (online) sells Epi LP 100s for $439 AUD. I'll probably go to the shop and try one out within... uh... 96 hours (or something), but in the meantime, can I get an opinion on this guitar?
#30
Billy Hydes should stock the Epi and the ESP stuff too. In a similar price range you'd be looking at an EC50 or EC100 LTD. Personally I'd take the Epi, but try them both and see which one you prefer.

Living on the other side of the country I can't say I know of any specialist guitar stores in Perth, but Billy Hydes is always a good place to start as they stock most stuff since they're a national franchise. Then you can always compare prices with other stores once you know what you want to buy.

I have an LTD EC50 that I won in a promo at my local Billy Hyde store - it's ok, but the quality isn't the best.
#31
I wouldn't trust low-end B.C riches, ever.
I've played a starter Viper, and I quite liked it, considering it was only 400 Aus.
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#32
As awesome as the Virgin looks - I don't particularly want to have the misfortune of a guitar named of my only remaining shame.

Plus, low end BC Rich's and me don't particularly get on. They are missing something, whereas ESP/LTD are great down to how the cheap end.
#33
Do yourself a favour and save your money, then get yourself a Jackson \m/
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#34
I'm seeing about getting some sort of way to make money soon. I don't get any pocket money, though.
AlexAngus: what sort of price range (AUD) is it for the EC-100s and EC-50s?
Any moderator: can you please rename this thread to something more appropriate for its current subject matter?
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#35
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Do yourself a favour and save your money, then get yourself a Jackson \m/

Ignorant post.
#36
A quick check of Billy Hyde's website - they don't stock ESP... must have lost the franchise to another retailer.

RRP for the LTD EC50 is AU$599; the EC100QM AU$749. You should be able to get $50 or more so knocked off the price if you drive a bargain.... make sure you find a couple of dealers in Perth so you can see who's gunna give you the best deal.

Good luck!

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#37
AlexAngus: you never know, they might have the ESP stuff instore but not on the website, I've seen multiple guitar shops do that.

EDIT/UPDATE: I played a Viper-50 today. It felt fantastic, and it sounded great for the price. I think I'll be getting it. Thank you all for your suggestions and feedback. (IT'S THE END OF THE THREAD)
Last edited by knotrice at Jul 5, 2010,