#1
Hey everyone, completely new to mixers and their gadgetry so I'm hoping someone can step in and clear the air a bit.

I'm trying to find a mixer to help ease the workflow of messing with individual tracks and buses as well as the transport control inside my DAW, however - the only mixers I seem to be coming across are ones that have I/O's and preamps and such (The stuff I don't need.)

I'm simply just looking for something that will control software, not have cables running into it, save two outs for monitors maybe, and the usb/firewire running into the pc.


Something similar to the presonus faderport, however with more channels. Do these things operate via MIDI, or are handled solely through driver software?

DAW's in question that I'll most likely be using in the foreseeable future being Sony Acid 6+, Reaper, Sonar 8+ (As I'm thinking of upgrading my DAW, although Reaper is producing great results so far...) problem with reaper being its freeware... or rather kinda is, and I'm unsure of whether any other company would be offering driver support for such DAW's. Again I'm in over my head so I'm not entirely sure.

Anything with preamps or mic inputs will essentially be useless to me, and would only attribute to cost since I won't be using them tbh XD
I'm only looking to make my time mixing and tracking more efficient


So what is it exactly am i looking for??? :P
#2
What you are looking for is called a Control Surface. These tend to be pretty expensive usually starting around the $1200 (US) for a decent one. Most operate off of a HUI protocol that is in most DAWs, I am not familiar if Acid or Reaper has HUI but I am sure some Googling could answer that.

Hope that helps
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Quote by NnjRik
What you are looking for is called a Control Surface. These tend to be pretty expensive usually starting around the $1200 (US) for a decent one. Most operate off of a HUI protocol that is in most DAWs, I am not familiar if Acid or Reaper has HUI but I am sure some Googling could answer that.

Hope that helps



Ah yes it does definitely! Thanks at least now I have a name for what it is I'm looking for XD

whew 1200 smackers... I'll certainly have to save up in that case, if it ever comes to it.


Mmmm this looks to be promising
http://keyboards-midi.musiciansfriend.com/product/Livid-Ohm64-MIDI-Controller?sku=484947

Although its MIDI... I guess this isn't the same XD mm will have to google some more it seems


Google yields a few results in term of Reaper DAW
http://www.cockos.com/wiki/index.php/Control_surfaces

The most prospective ones to me seem to be...

Mackie Control Extender Pro
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/navigation?q=mackie+control
Last edited by Night at Jun 25, 2010,
#4
i guess my main question is why? i can understand the desire for a hands on approach but at the same time DAW mixers have built in fader automation for virtually everything you can think of.
#5
as stated, you dont need a mixer but rather a dedicated Control Surface which gives ya the hands on feel of a mixer but controls the on screen parameters.

Mackie makes the Control Universal which many people hunt down and buy though ebay or forums. I think they are the best ones out there for the price.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/control_surfaces.htm


You won't want to waste your cash on the low end cheap Control units...look for something with motorized touch sensitive faders. Also the mackie control extender can't be used on it's own, you need the control universal along with it.


Quote by z4twenny
i guess my main question is why? i can understand the desire for a hands on approach but at the same time DAW mixers have built in fader automation for virtually everything you can think of.


It's just a faster way to work having the faders and all right there on the desktop. Working with a mouse really is slow because you can only program one thing at a time.

Most of the time I drive a few minutes just to work on the huge control surface at my college if I want to get a large project mixed down quickly.
Last edited by moody07747 at Jun 25, 2010,
#6
Quote by z4twenny
i guess my main question is why? i can understand the desire for a hands on approach but at the same time DAW mixers have built in fader automation for virtually everything you can think of.



Mmm sure, but my primary concern is just for a separate hardware based controller to ease the workflow, as I've said. The point being less mouseclicking

whether thats just a simple play/pause button, or not - it doesn't involve just the behavior of something on playback. Unless I'm mistaking what automation is.

I also like the idea when I'm tracking to adjust several bus's levels with just a controller instead of having to individually do so with my mouse. of course if I can do this with a mixer than fantastic, I would like to know what models would support this in that case.
#7
Quote by moody07747
as stated, you dont need a mixer but rather a dedicated Control Surface which gives ya the hands on feel of a mixer but controls the on screen parameters.

Mackie makes the Control Universal which many people hunt down and buy though ebay or forums. I think they are the best ones out there for the price.

http://www.tweakheadz.com/control_surfaces.htm


You won't want to waste your cash on the low end cheap Control units...look for something with motorized touch sensitive faders. Also the mackie control extender can't be used on it's own, you need the control universal along with it.


It's just a faster way to work having the faders and all right there on the desktop. Working with a mouse really is slow because you can only program one thing at a time.

Most of the time I drive a few minutes just to work on the huge control surface at my college if I want to get a large project mixed down quickly.



yup just read up on the universal, I'm currently reading an article on tweakheadz

any experience with the Alesis MasterControl ? I dont beleive its expandable though X_X
Last edited by Night at Jun 25, 2010,
#9
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
This looks promising!:

http://www.icon-global.com/music/music/product.php?cpl2shu1_id=4&cpl3shu1_id=4&cpl3shu2_id=76

And actually, I know many actually like the BCF2000 (Behringer, I know). Despite the reputation of the company, many seem to like this product (and the AD/DA converters)


The beringhers alright. The thing about beringher is you have to look at they're products on an individual basis, particularly on important things like AD/DA but the control surface is just a piece of plastic, which is really really hard to get wrong, and from what I've heard it's alright, so I'd pick one up if you need one.
#10
Quote by DIMEBAGLIVEDON
This looks promising!:

http://www.icon-global.com/music/music/product.php?cpl2shu1_id=4&cpl3shu1_id=4&cpl3shu2_id=76

And actually, I know many actually like the BCF2000 (Behringer, I know). Despite the reputation of the company, many seem to like this product (and the AD/DA converters)


I've tried the behringer BCF2000 in the past and it only lasted 1 month. From day one the faders were very jumpy and extremely noisy.
The fact that it didn't have touch sensitivity didn't help much either as there were times where I was fighting against the motors to tweak something and would end up using the mouse much more than needed even with the control surface on the desk.

As I said before, don't go cheap on control surfaces. If you do you will either end up getting something that doesn't work well or just doesn't last long enough.


example of those jumpy faders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=965MuhV9Yi8
#12
Quote by moody07747
*Jumpy Faders*


Wow, my friends never did that when I used it for a bit. I'ma definatly steer clear of that now. In fact, I'm gonna ask him if he had that issue...
#13
Quote by moody07747
I've tried the behringer BCF2000 in the past and it only lasted 1 month. From day one the faders were very jumpy and extremely noisy.
The fact that it didn't have touch sensitivity didn't help much either as there were times where I was fighting against the motors to tweak something and would end up using the mouse much more than needed even with the control surface on the desk.

As I said before, don't go cheap on control surfaces. If you do you will either end up getting something that doesn't work well or just doesn't last long enough.


example of those jumpy faders:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=965MuhV9Yi8
I heard the newer ones have better motorized faders and such but I can't comment on that myself.

The lack of touch-sensitivity does suck though.
Last edited by DIMEBAGLIVEDON at Jun 27, 2010,