#1
Okay so I'm really inspired by Syd Barrett, and Thomas Erak ( I know this question sounds silly, but i don't know to much about guitar although I'm a fairly good player). I spent so much time learning other peoples songs, I feel like all my music is to "Predictable" , and when i listen to some other artists and try to guess what they are going to play next by what my ear expects, its always something entirely different.
None of my melodies, or riffs sound original, and i want to change that, but when i try to be unexpected my notes sound like I'm hitting random notes.
What are somethings I can do to change that?

Sorry for such a noob question, but i really am serious.
Thanks in advance.
#2
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#3
LSD and lots of it = Syd Barrett unpredictability.
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#4
Learn to CREATE phrases as opposed to slightly altering licks and using those licks repeatedly. Like someone above said, DIVERSITY.
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#5
simple version of what i do
1.sit down with a piece of paper with a roman numerals 1-7 (scale box ie C D E F G A B) or 0 to 12 for the chromatic scale) i use 1-7 right now... i have a creative mind like i hear notes in my head and can kinda distinguish them with humming or singing (which i prolly need to hum the sound, to also trian my voice a lil)
so i start with my tonic I (C)and think hard about where you hear your note #2 and think of its reltionship to I.. i would play this right now in my head (spaces for rhythm dont pay attention to the capitilization its just for clarity.
I VII VI vVIIIvii vVIIvii III V VII II III I.... now after i have that melody in my head i sit with my guitar and find a root note i like and try it out if a note doesnt sound just right then im prolly no more than 2 frets away so just explore it...and mainly be thinking about how many intervals you have to travel to reach that unpridictable sound in your head or you want to be in your head. Then try out some of your creations if you still think your sound is pridictable find the note you hate and take it up the frets until it sounds like u want...(if your sound goes higher or lower than these origional 7 thats fine just make another 7box an complete octive above or below...
if that still isn't what you're going for then try a 3 min exercise
play the scale in 3rds(1-3 2-4), 4ths (1-4 2-5), 5ths 6ths, etc then find jumps you like and write them down.. go from there hope this helps ... this is also hit on in some of my threads
https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330781
and in this one (its not mine) https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330961 (it may be explained better here if you like and are unclear about what i said just ask or tell me whats unclear)
#6
Man, I have the same problem. I'm a decent guitar player, been playing for about 5 year. All I ever play is covers. So when I try to create something it sounds like Metallica, megadeth, or even avenged sevenfold. I figure the only thing to do is learn theory and expand my horizons. Gonna try some SRV, some Steve Vai and whatever else I come across. But I understand, and its frustrating.
#7
i dont know how much help i can be but take what you can from this...
have you all tried listing to songs that dont have a good lead part and just listen to it enough until you start to apply your sound to it in your head or imagine another lead part for it... if it sounds like metallica then try playing with a non heavy backing at first

to me one of the things that really seperates guitarist (besides theory) is how thay make use of there intervals... for example when i listen to old atreyu i feel like there should be more runs at the end of verses. The thing thats going to seperate my sound of a run from theirs are the intervals.
in my opinion (just an example)
their runs are real close intervals i dk of the top of my head ...like a 8 7 6 7 87 76567 5(5)(5)
where i would like to hear a more distance traveld and possibly not the same pattern its what ever i want as long as im in key and staying in tone with rhythm... ie.. 875 25432 13532 (next part down an octive runing up..-7 -6 -5 -6 back to 1... so im not trying to sound like atreyu just make them have my sound ....

am i on to anything here or should i just stop talking lol...
on one of my threads about improvision i talk about some of the concepts you can add to your playing... i dont tell how to do them cause you can just type in triads to google, ect.
speaking of improvising do you all set time to improvise?
i think i had similar playing habits to you guys... no main teacher... just learned songs i thought were cool and got really good at playing them but when i wanted to make something original i couldn't .. i didn't know what sounds i wanted to make or how to make them even though i could play black dog like a beast haha and it pissed me off a little so i just sucked it up and learned how to read scale box positions and quicky learned the minor scale ... downloaded some backing tracks in am or w/e ... all i can find is like slow blues, indie or classic 80 which is all cool but i would love to have like some prog. rock or nu metal backing tracks... it would expand my playing (because thats the style i see myself playing one day) so even tho i wouldn't call my self an indie guitarist i can burn up the indie backing track in am just by feeling .. and a lite minor scale structure... starting slow like 8 notes in a measure then maybe after i got the feel of its sound i speed up to maybe 16 notes a meausre so on...
whats the main parts of those bands guitar parts do you like the best then maybe we could go from there...
#8
Just keep on writing. You improve as a composer by doing it. When I first started I thought it was all really generic and pretty much sucked but after a while it's like a dam breaking and all the creativity begins to unfold itself.
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#9
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Just keep on writing. You improve as a composer by doing it. When I first started I thought it was all really generic and pretty much sucked but after a while it's like a dam breaking and all the creativity begins to unfold itself.

this and guitarsftw are my +1's for this thread.
#11
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When you feel like your song just got boring, do something weird/different. Might be good, might be bad, but always worth a shot. You could play at a new tempo, you could change time signatures, you could change the beat, you could go crazy with effects, you could go soft or loud. Just be different.
+1. Dynamics are a brilliant way to make a decent song amazing.
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#12
You have listen to alot of different guitar styles so you can THINK differently and outside of the box. Before you know it you'll be hearing melodies in your head. I think it's just all about the different styles you expose yourself to. If you listen to repetitive pentatonic licks all day.. thats all youll ever spurt out of your instrument.
#14
Thanks guys, for all the great advice.
I already listen to stuff from the beach boys, to like Disgorge hah!
I haven't even learned modes yet, so thats first.
#15
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Thanks guys, for all the great advice.
I already listen to stuff from the beach boys, to like Disgorge hah!
I haven't even learned modes yet, so thats first.


if you don't know basic theory yet, please do not put modes first.

if you know basic theory, and you know your way around tonal music, then by all means, go ahead.
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#16
http://www.jodyjazz.com/images/dvd/georgemaster.pdf

that may or may not be a bit above your level of comprehension (its really complex but cool) but is a method of improvisation that allows you to play logical sounding, outside lines without them sounding predictable.
http://www.jodyjazz.com/george.garzone.jazz.improvisation.instructional.dvd.html

that is the trailer for the whole dvd, which comes with tons of pdf examples and other features and is very much worth it.

http://www.amazon.com/Technique-Saxophone-Studies-Woodwind-Method/dp/0793554128

shedding on the stuff in that book also helps in the making of lines that sound logical but not necesarily predictable (inside the changes, but no where near diatonic)

sorry this is all jazz stuff, but these method do help you make lines that are non predictable but not random.
Last edited by tehREALcaptain at Jun 28, 2010,
#17
Practice with playing the same phrase but with a different feel.
Play around with timing, legato, finding the same notes in different possitions, bends, vibrato etc. Play with some jamtracks and try to practice being expressive without playing different notes.
#18
Try this one: play your favorite riff in straight 16th notes. Then drop the exact same riff fingering to eight notes. You won't need LSD for this one! One of my fave trippy tricks to play and mix it up.
#20
yoda is real wat are your fav songs by Syd Barrett, and Thomas Erak .... i don't know them... and would like to check out their good stuff..
#21
Syd Barret = Pink Floyd.
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#22
Quote by Yoda_is_real
Okay so I'm really inspired by Syd Barrett, and Thomas Erak ( I know this question sounds silly, but i don't know to much about guitar although I'm a fairly good player). I spent so much time learning other peoples songs, I feel like all my music is to "Predictable" , and when i listen to some other artists and try to guess what they are going to play next by what my ear expects, its always something entirely different.
None of my melodies, or riffs sound original, and i want to change that, but when i try to be unexpected my notes sound like I'm hitting random notes.
What are somethings I can do to change that?

Sorry for such a noob question, but i really am serious.
Thanks in advance.

NO ONE is unpredictable. the more you listen to them, the more you hear their style of playing and they become "predicatble" in a sense. but i would say listening and playing different styles and having a wide range of musical tastes can keep your playing fresh. or simply, just try to play things you dont normally play.

i think though you will always find your own playing predicatble because its you. you know how you play and what you will play next. plus you hear your playing all the time. usually ill play and think the same thing. then ill record myself and listen to it later and realize its not as predictable as i thought.
#23
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Syd Barret = Pink Floyd.

thanks haha... i guess it would help if i knew band members names (instead of referring to them as pink floyds guitarist)
#24
Quote by elihu4321
yoda is real wat are your fav songs by Syd Barrett, and Thomas Erak .... i don't know them... and would like to check out their good stuff..


Some of my favorite Syd Barrett songs (well its actually early Pink Floyd, but i think Syd had the biggest influence on their early sound)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M-UtlpvBWk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wH3pqYwDBdQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2wud_RqEaM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1E_m586FAGg&feature=related

Fall Of Troy Stuff:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yckSfNcgKxY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZWhy68Hd-U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZ5HgnMfO0c

Im actually liking Tera Melos more than Fall of Troy, you may want to check them out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vesCKnG2RMs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yekCbzdimNI
#25
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nice ... i discovered fall of troy like 20 secs ago in another thread (i didn't know jazz/metal bands exsisted ... (wonder what other genre mixes i've missed over the years )
#26
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NO ONE is unpredictable. the more you listen to them, the more you hear their style of playing and they become "predicatble" in a sense. but i would say listening and playing different styles and having a wide range of musical tastes can keep your playing fresh. or simply, just try to play things you dont normally play.

i think though you will always find your own playing predicatble because its you. you know how you play and what you will play next. plus you hear your playing all the time. usually ill play and think the same thing. then ill record myself and listen to it later and realize its not as predictable as i thought.


kirk hammett is unpredicta--
Anfangen ist leicht, Beharren eine Kunst.
#27
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kirk hammett is unpredicta--


well, one always is kept on their toes trying to guess 'how much wah-wah is he going to use this time? 100% ? 99,9% ? 99,8%

Cheesy predictability and cliches are something though.. some listeners just go for that.. just look at AC/DC's ongoing popularity
#29
Quote by kian89
well if you dont want your music to be predictable then play in Chromatic Scale .

how does that help?? (maybe i am not clear on how to use the chromatic scale) i don't really like the sound of intervals being half steps(and think that semitones are predictable) are there other ways to use this scale??
#31
Stop thinking... and write instead, ie: play. Accidents are where the unpredictable lie.

So, just to reiterate after my long post.... Stop thinki...
Last edited by evolucian at Jul 1, 2010,