#1
I finally thought about getting an OD to tighten up the gain on my Screamer. So, I decided to get myself an Ibanez TS-7 - if it didn't work well, it's not exactly a big investment so I could always flip it. Taking a chance I got a pre-modded pedal from eBay - £55 got me a TS-7 modded with carbon resistors and the TS808 chips (both the JRD4558D and the RC4558P were included).



I'm only using it to tighten the gain and it is fantastic - really makes the picking stand out and prevents quick triplets becoming a little messy. The only downside is that it adds a little noise to the signal. I'm thinking the next investment might well be an ISP Decimator if I find a decent priced one, but the noise is bearable (not audible when playing, only when idle).
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#3
I wouldn't be surprised if some of the noise is from the carbon resistors they touted as a bonus. Swapping values is good but the whole carbon resistor penchant is mojo bs, metal film is quieter and apart from that I can't see a difference.

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#5
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I wouldn't be surprised if some of the noise is from the carbon resistors they touted as a bonus. Swapping values is good but the whole carbon resistor penchant is mojo bs, metal film is quieter and apart from that I can't see a difference.

HNPD


+1

Also, those chips don't effect the tone. Here's a video that Visual Sounds made, comparing the different chips if you don't believe me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpTv2jAree8

You basically got screwed out of your money dude.
#6
Congrats, happy NPD!
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+1

Also, those chips don't effect the tone. Here's a video that Visual Sounds made, comparing the different chips if you don't believe me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpTv2jAree8

You basically got screwed out of your money dude.

As convincing as those VS videos may be, they are bullshit for several reasons which I am too lazy to list.

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#7
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Congrats, happy NPD!

As convincing as those VS videos may be, they are bullshit for several reasons which I am too lazy to list.


No, the op-amp barely effects your tone. Go out and swap your op-amp chips, making recordings of each chip. I promise you won't be able to tell the difference.

And you are "too lazy" to list any reasons because you have none. Get over yourself.
#8
I'd surprised if there wasn't crossover between manufacturers anyway. I mean the 4558 is hardly a specialist chip, they are churned out like paper. How close together could they all be even from one manufacturer? JRC, NEC, who gives a rats?
My advice is to find out what components do what, there is plenty of info out there on it, and try different mods yourself. What's food for one is poison for another. But don't bother with the whole "carbon resistor" bollocks. Of course, if you're happy with the current mods, more power to you.
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#9
Specialist chip or not, opamps have a variety of designs and vary in quality which is what makes them different. Why do you think there are different companies making them?
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No, the op-amp barely effects your tone. Go out and swap your op-amp chips, making recordings of each chip. I promise you won't be able to tell the difference.

And you are "too lazy" to list any reasons because you have none. Get over yourself.

Opamps do make a difference and I've heard/seen/read plenty examples of this. All the VS video shows is that their one circuit's sound doesn't change with different opamps and the pedal used is of course a VS pedal, go figure. Oh, I'll make sure to go get over myself, I wouldn't want to contribute advice on a forum, right?

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#10
Well, given that I only paid an extra £5, I'm not really that fussed. It sounds pretty good to me, although I would like to get into pedal modding, so something relatively cheap like this is probably a good place to start. Does anyone know of some decent guides to modding pedals? I've found a really good site with wah mods, but TS7 ones seem to be harder to find.
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#11
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Specialist chip or not, opamps have a variety of designs and vary in quality which is what makes them different. Why do you think there are different companies making them?

Opamps do make a difference and I've heard/seen/read plenty examples of this. All the VS video shows is that their one circuit's sound doesn't change with different opamps and the pedal used is of course a VS pedal, go figure. Oh, I'll make sure to go get over myself, I wouldn't want to contribute advice on a forum, right?



You do realize that an op-amp is a voltage amplifier and has nothing to do with the way the signal is clipped or EQ'd and therefore has a very minimal affect, if any, on the tone a pedal produces.


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it's true the tubescreamer op-amp stuff is a load of boutique crap but it's still cool to have a boutique'd pedal.


Thank you! At least some people around here know what they are talking about.
#12
There's a guy on TGP who put like 19 different opamps in his Timmy and all made clips. They're all discussing which one sounds best and which one is most transparent blabla, while I don't hear any noticeable difference between those 19 clips
#13
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There's a guy on TGP who put like 19 different opamps in his Timmy and all made clips. They're all discussing which one sounds best and which one is most transparent blabla, while I don't hear any noticeable difference between those 19 clips


Its because these boutique snobs have all been convinced that the op-amp chip will affect your tone. Its a psychological thing - if you believe there is a difference then you will hear a difference.

I did a study for a science class in high school. Took vanilla wafer cookies and added food coloring to them to make different colored ones (I had red, green, blue, and orange one or something along with ones that I hadn't colored at all). I then had random people try them and asked which color they thought tasted best. Even though they were all the same exact thing, there were only a couple people that said they all tasted the same. People thought there was a difference between them so they tasted a difference.

As I said, an op-amp is a voltage amplifier and really doesn't have anything to do with the actual signal being produced by the pedal.
#14
HNPD! Can't wait to get my first tube amp and pair it up with a TS type boost.

Also I have a question for anyone,
I noticed the TS7 is priced much lower than the other TS's, why is that? Does it work just as well as a boost than the more expensive tubescreamers? I'd rather not pay $100+ if the TS7 would work just fine.
#15
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HNPD! Can't wait to get my first tube amp and pair it up with a TS type boost.

Also I have a question for anyone,
I noticed the TS7 is priced much lower than the other TS's, why is that? Does it work just as well as a boost than the more expensive tubescreamers? I'd rather not pay $100+ if the TS7 would work just fine.


The TS7 is part of the "tone-lok" series of pedals. These are pedals that are based on the circuits of their more expensive pedals but made with cheaper components to cut costs and bring you a less expensive product.
#16
i told you engls didn't take boosts well

Glad to hear it's doing what you want. That was quick, too.
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#17
So the TS-7 is a decent OD then? I have wanted to try one for ages but have always been skeptical about the TS-7 I always viewed it as a pedal spurred by the Nu Metal era
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So the TS-7 is a decent OD then? I have wanted to try one for ages but have always been skeptical about the TS-7 I always viewed it as a pedal spurred by the Nu Metal era


I don't know if its based off the 808 or the 9 (well I guess technically it would be based off the 808 since the 9 is based of the 808 lol) but its practically just one of their more expensive tube screamers built with cheaper components.
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Specialist chip or not, opamps have a variety of designs and vary in quality which is what makes them different. Why do you think there are different companies making them?
Because there's a market for chips with those specifications?
Granted some cheap Taiwanese knock-offs may sound bad but the difference between decent manufacturers is less than between two from the same manufacturer. There is a bucketload of tolerance in semiconductor manufacturing. hfe (i need subscript ) can vary wildly for a discreet transistor let alone the ridiculous number of junctions in an IC. When you design an opamp circuit you fix everything with the surrounding circuitry and can almost disregard the gain of the device except for selecting one with a range that fits within the design.
Having said that, the TS-808 I built has a socket so I can swap them around. Regardless of brand, you find sweet ones and blehhh ones.

Info on modding: Worth looking at this description of 808 Keeley mods and then dig up the circuit diagrams for both and see what difference there is between the ts-808 and the ts-7. From that you should be able to work out what is appropriate and what he is talking about.
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#20
Thanks for the link. I'll take a look at it when I've got a spare moment.

Dave - yep, very fast indeed, 18 hours door to door I think, and yes, the Engl absolutely loathes it
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#22
Happy new pedal day, Ben! I don't understand most of that pedal mod talk that's going on, but I think I know what you're talking about with the idle noise. It isn't too bad since it's only noticeable when you are not playing, but that can get annoying if you're a bit of stickler like I am about extra noise in my rig. Regardless, enjoy that Tubescreamer goodness.