#1
So every time I hear the word "hard rock" I have 2 categories - modern and classic (modern being Breaking Benjamin, Alice In Chains(?), Chevelle, etc) and classic (AC/DC and stuff like that). When I hear "metal," though, I think of 80's metal (from Metallica and Megadeth to Ratt and W.A.S.P - bands of that nature with soloing and the occasional screaming lyrics) and I also think about the 70's bands that helped start this metal movement (they should be pretty obvious). But what is "modern metal?" Is it this "nu" metal stuff like Korn or is it bands like Bullet for my Valentine (kinda screamo-metal, I have no clue). I'm not talking about that "100% screaming" kind of metal that's all screaming, double bass on drums, and guitars tuned to drop A# (sounds like Satan speaking), but then again is that the metal of today? I hope not...

In a nutshell, what summarizes modern metal?

EDIT: I've heard Nickelback is being called metal and I cried. Please don't tell me this is what it's sunken to.
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#3
Metal is an umbrella term that fits many different sub genres. There are seriously dozens of different sub genres. In truth many of these types of bands were around even in the 80's of course they were over shadowed by glam and thrash.
#4
Dozens of subs? Hundreds more like. @TS you're literally looking at such an infinitesimal selection of rock and metal that of course you are going to see it like that. Also you're understanding of where certain bands fit into the scheme of genres and/or timetables is a touch off.
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#5
Dude, your totally right, but heavy metal will always be classic metal, but the "new" metal is anything that ends in core, metal-core = bullet, KSE, under0ath, Devil wears prada, and death-core = suicide silence, black dahlia murder, stuff like that.
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#6
Metal today is, unfortunately, primarily crap like BFMV and Korn, and other such metalcore, nu metal, "teh br00talz" garbage. If you're looking for modern metal bands that don't suck, here you go:

Cauldron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeJAZGLayBA

White Wizzard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8-zehtCs7U

Cellador: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7hr-Ky8tg

ASG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gMi3UdXOM0

Mastodon (Newest album. A lot of their old stuff falls under the category of "drop A blblblblblblblrrrgghgh"): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WGNd8QR-U

Taking Dawn: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4gCf62y_E4

Black Tide: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rU9DCB2qL1Q
Last edited by FrauVfromPoB at Jul 1, 2010,
#7
Modern Metal is bands such as Lamb of God, Slipknot and Disturbed. I had a question similiar to yours a while ago because i couldnt think of really any modern metal bands and those three are really all i could come up with [that i liked]
bfmv is classed as metalcore which isnt really metal even though metal is in the name..
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Quote by FrauVfromPoB
Metal today is, unfortunately, primarily crap like BFMV and Korn, nu-metal, metalcore, "teh br00talz" garbage. If you're looking for new metal bands that don't suck, here you go:

Cauldron: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeJAZGLayBA

White Wizzard: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8-zehtCs7U

Cellador: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X7hr-Ky8tg

ASG: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gMi3UdXOM0

Mastodon (Newest album. A lot of their old stuff falls under the category of "drop A blblblblblblblrrrgghgh"): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6WGNd8QR-U


Wow, least informative post in a while. You realise that before Mastodon became ostensibly a prog ROCK band (which has been around since the late 6's-early 70s) they were still producing some of the most forward thinking and progressive metal within their genre right?

Much as I get why you are saying what you are, catering to the ignorance of the thread starter (because that is entirely the basis of this thread) is not helping make your point clearer.

TS, as many others have said, you are analysing an infinitesimal section of modern metal and it's sub genres, of which there are too many to fully document. Read more into other styles of metal and you will find something worth listening to you
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#10
THings just end in "core" cause people don't know what to call it. Even those terms can get very general... I personally like KSE, I love how they keep their riffs very simple yet compose their songs incredibly well. I also live Howard Jones' Amazing vocals. He has a very mature larger than life voice, almost operatic. He is also good a screams and fits them into his songs very well.

many don't like that type of stuff but as far as im concerned it doesn't matter cause its not what they like its what I like, and thats pretty much how every metal head feels about their respective genre.
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When i hear Metal now...i think of primarily death metal in terms of modern...or various branch offs of European metal with the celtic influences etc..i have and never to this day considered Slipknot to be metal xD no offense to any slip fans out there. i just stick to the classic stuff like early tallica, maiden, priest.
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THings just end in "core" cause people don't know what to call it.

... The suffix "core" means that characteristics have been taken from Hardcore. This typically includes "deemphasized" vocals (this means barks, yells, etc. as opposed to clean singing, screeching, or certain types of screamed vocals) along with other aspects.

When combined with another style the prefix is determined. For example Deathcore which combines Death metal (or Tech Death for Technical Deathcore) with Hardcore/Metalcore (depending on style). Same as above, however here we have extensive use of the diminished sound as well as some foreign scales such as the Spanish Gypsy/Hebrew, etc. to put it very briefly and simply.
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Wow, least informative post in a while. You realise that before Mastodon became ostensibly a prog ROCK band (which has been around since the late 6's-early 70s) they were still producing some of the most forward thinking and progressive metal within their genre right?

Much as I get why you are saying what you are, catering to the ignorance of the thread starter (because that is entirely the basis of this thread) is not helping make your point clearer.

TS, as many others have said, you are analysing an infinitesimal section of modern metal and it's sub genres, of which there are too many to fully document. Read more into other styles of metal and you will find something worth listening to you


I like Mastodon's old stuff, from Call of The Mastodon, Remission, that era. I referred to them as "Drop A blblblblblrrghgh" because that seemed like it wasn't his cup of tea, and I was trying to steer him away from that. And your right, Mastodon is more on the rock side now. I posted modern stuff I thought he would like, seeing he clearly has more of an appreciation for 70's and 80's than now. Catering to his ignorance? More like catering to his tastes, but that doesn't change the fact that my post was FAR from uninformative.

No I'm not trolling, I like Black Tide, and I thought TS might also.

Also, check out Diablo Swing Orchestra:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RR7mWZuFYsQ&feature=related

They're COMPLETELY unlike anything anyone has mentioned so far, and also completely awesome.
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And your right, Mastodon is more on the rock side now.

Progressive Sludge Metal. Sludge is often confused with rock/hard rock because of its strong influence from bands like Black Sabbath - composition is however very unlike rock of that period. See Melvins, Baroness, etc...

Side note: Diablo Swing is pretty good. Kudos to you since most people don't know about them.
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Progressive Sludge Metal. Sludge is often confused with rock/hard rock because of its strong influence from bands like Black Sabbath - composition is however very unlike rock of that period. See Melvins, Baroness, etc...

Side note: Diablo Swing is pretty good. Kudos to you since most people don't know about them.

I still consider Mastodon metal, I was just acknowledging that they had gotten less heavy in general, because the guy I quoted, who was being a bit of a prog elitist, said they were a rock band.
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Probably a tactical decision on the part of TS... and a wise one in some ways.

Anyways, "modern" metal is just metal made recently, it covers everything from classic Maiden style bands (White Wizzard) to the heaviest, screamiest, most noise-like bands you can think of (Personally that's Portal to me) and everything in between, you can't categorise a sound based on when it was made anymore because there is no typical sound of this era. At least not in metal, I couldn't say about any other genres.

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I think modern metal is Nu Metal, Korn, Disturbed etc.



Nu-metal is largely dead... I think Korn are just about the only band still putting out material that qualifies as "nu metal" anymore.
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