#2
Basically, there is a control where you can but Kerry King's EQ or "The Beast" and it includes a noise gate which i find incredible. "The Beast" is basically high gain distortion in Kerry's Specs
#3
Quote by SilverRock113
Basically, there is a control where you can but Kerry King's EQ or "The Beast" and it includes a noise gate which i find incredible. "The Beast" is basically high gain distortion in Kerry's Specs


I edited the post so wchich one would give me more versatility.
#5
The TSL would be more versatile man.
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The TSL would be more versatile man.


Yeah, but a TSL sounds like garbage. Heck, even the DSL sounds much better.

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#7
I'd get the KK JCM. Very awesome sounding amp. Great noise gate and eq.

Can do normal gain...like the JCM800....or push the Beast button and you are now into high gain territory.
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#8
Quote by forsaknazrael
It pretty much is a JCM800, other than the boost control.

It's better than the other JCM800 reissues, and I'd rather have it than a 2205 or 2210.
+1

I also think it's better than some of the reissues (strangely enough each one I've played, even though they were built the same, all had different characteristics) of the JCM800. It's pretty rippin' ... but try it out first, obviously.
#11
the jcm 2000 absolutely sucks compared to the 800 imo. Definitely go with the KK 800
#13
Quote by Way Cool JR.
If you read up on them they are built off of the JCM800 and nails all of there tones and then sum. They are a JCM800 modded to surpass what they can do if you want them to.

LINK

Also look at this one the JCM2203X LINK


You're over simplifying things. It is different than the 800 circuit in A LOT of ways. Ad it doesn't NAIL an 800. It gets reasonably close. "surpassing" it is debatable.

why did you link an 800 reissue? I know what they look like, and I am intimate with their circuit design.
#14
Quote by Way Cool JR.
I mentioned the first one because it is so close and it is the most versatile. I mentioned the second reisue because no one mentioned it earlier and it was aimed at the TS.

I know you are very smart technically with mods and circuits and I do learn a lot from all your posts so I am not challenging you in any way. not that you said I am I just thought I would mention it.

No one mentioned that reissue because it isn't that great. I'd rather look for an old 800 2203/2204.

And again, the JVM really is not like the 800, so do not advertise it as such.
It's a decent amp, rather versatile, though I cannot picture myself needing that much versatility. I'd rather have an amp that does one thing well, as like I said, while the JVM does get close to some of these tones, it still falls short.
#16
one of the things i noticed you guys didnt mention is the tubes. the actual jcm800 has EL34s in the power section. however the 2203KK has KT88s. so yes it will sound pretty close to an actual jcm800. will it sound the same? absolutely not
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You're over simplifying things. It is different than the 800 circuit in A LOT of ways. Ad it doesn't NAIL an 800. It gets reasonably close. "surpassing" it is debatable.

why did you link an 800 reissue? I know what they look like, and I am intimate with their circuit design.



I can't even begin to say how hard i laughed when you said "I am intimate with their circuit design"
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^this
plus, the jvm are terrible amps (well that's my opinion anyways)

They aren't terrible amps.

It does Megadeth-ish rhythm tones and shred tones very well, as well as AC/DC-ish tones on the crunch channel.

You either love this amp, or you don't. I personally love its lead tones,


Anyway, for the other guy, it doesn't sound exactly like a JCM 800, simply because it is not a JCM 800.
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#21
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Linky to specific ad?

I'm sure they mean it more as a successor to their flagship models.


This, I haven't seen Marshall advertising it as such anywhere.

Personally I hated the JVM. Wasn't my cup of tea at all.
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#22
I've never tried the KK but the idea of a JCM800ish amp coming preloaded with KT88s (with presumably larger power tranny) is appealing even if you use it as a base to do some modding.
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#23
unfortunately the JVM is probably one of the best amps that Marshall has in modern production. Which really does not say much about their current line of amps. Brand has gone way downhill since they discontinued the JCM800/900. I hear the MA absolutely sucks.
#24
Quote by Way Cool JR.
Here is the Marshall add that claims the JVM410H does the sound of JCM800 , JCM900 , DSL , TSL , JTM45 and Plexi depending what mode you have it in unless I am totally reading it wrong but I am sure I am not. Yes I know there is no substitute for the original but I like the fact of multiple channels and not just one. The JCM800 is my dream amp beings I am an 80' Rock Metal/hair/glam/thrash fan and love that tone.

LINK

Yes, it does say that it's supposed to hit close to those tones, of course that's what it was built to do. It however, never says that it IS a JCM800 or is it based on it.
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Quote by handbanana
unfortunately the JVM is probably one of the best amps that Marshall has in modern production. Which really does not say much about their current line of amps. Brand has gone way downhill since they discontinued the JCM800/900. I hear the MA absolutely sucks.
It's cheap ... I kinda expected it would when I tried it out. Still, very disappointing.
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Quote by forsaknazrael
Yes, it does say that it's supposed to hit close to those tones, of course that's what it was built to do. It however, never says that it IS a JCM800 or is it based on it.


The JCM800 was one of the most modified amps of all time. The JCM900 was released as sort of a "pre-modified" version of the JCM800. Whereas, most of the modifications people were doing on their 800s were built into the JCM900.

That said, the 1990 is based off the JCM900......which in turn is nothing more then a modified JCM800.....
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The JCM800 was one of the most modified amps of all time. The JCM900 was released as sort of a "pre-modified" version of the JCM800. Whereas, most of the modifications people were doing on their 800s were built into the JCM900.

That said, the 1990 is based off the JCM900......which in turn is nothing more then a modified JCM800.....



yeah somehow that doesn't sound right to me
#30
Its true, the JCM900 IS based off the JCM800.

I understand they sound completely different. But the 900 was based off the 800.

That said, I played a 1990 and wasn't very impressed with it. Perhaps it captured the "Marshall Vibe" but it didn't convince me that it captured its tone.

The Bugera version does sound brighter then the JCM900.

I own a 6262 because I've owned 2 5150s in the past and I actually prefer the tone of the 6262.

But I don't think anyone can ever successfully clone a Marshall. For me, if I wanted a Marshall, I would go buy a real one. The clones just don't seem to have the magic that the originals do.
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#31
No. It's based off it in the same way that lots of amps use cascaded gain stages.

If you knew anything about amps, and compared a 2203 and a 900, you'd see that they are significanty different circuits.

please do not spread your gross overgeneralization to others. It is not an accurate statement.
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#32
well from what i've seen the 1990 doesn't sound EXACTLY like the 900, but is about as close as your gonna get using 6l6's, since the 900 uses el34's...
#34
Quote by forsaknazrael
No. It's based off it in the same way that lots of amps use cascaded gain stages.

If you knew anything about amps, and compared a 2203 and a 900, you'd see that they are significanty different circuits.

please do not spread your gross overgeneralization to others. It is not an accurate statement.


Well, then perhaps your right and I'm mistaken.

I actually owned a JCM800 in the mid 1990s. Great amp, but I always wanted to get more gain out of it.

I've honestly never played a JCM900, but I do remember reading a magazine article about it back in the day stating that it was based off a JCM800 but with more gain. Perhaps that was just the reviewers personal thoughts on the amp and not the designers intentions. If I am wrong, then I stand corrected.

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#36
Quote by mmolteratx
Every 900 I've ever played had 6L6s.



They make them with both but the el34 equipped models are the more sought after ones if i'm not mistaken, as thats what the sought after 800 models use
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#37
Quote by forsaknazrael
More the reviewer, I'd say. The 2205 is closer to a 900, but only cause they're both shite.

no, but they're a tiny bit closer. But the 2203/2204 are the "desired" ones.


I couldn't tell you what I had back in the day. But I do remember that it was very "warm" sounding and didn't have the brightness of any of these newer Marshall amps.

Marshall amps aren't exactly my bag anymore. But even if I was so inclined, I would never buy one of the newer Marshalls (although i have yet to try a JVM, I hear they are supposed to be nice). All their newer amps to me sound WAY to bright.

I wouldn't classify my old JCM800 as a dark amp, but it definitely seemed more "moody" then Marshalls newest iterations.
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Quote by theraven871
I couldn't tell you what I had back in the day. But I do remember that it was very "warm" sounding and didn't have the brightness of any of these newer Marshall amps.

Marshall amps aren't exactly my bag anymore. But even if I was so inclined, I would never buy one of the newer Marshalls (although i have yet to try a JVM, I hear they are supposed to be nice). All their newer amps to me sound WAY to bright.

I wouldn't classify my old JCM800 as a dark amp, but it definitely seemed more "moody" then Marshalls newest iterations.

Probably an older one, the earlier 2203/2204s are bright as fawk.

I have a JCM800 copy, it was also too bright for me. Modded it quite a bit to get it where I want it, but now it's a beast, with more than enough gain for me.
#39
Personally if I had to go for that type of tone again, I would probably pickup an Orange Thunderverb. Those amps sound incredible......
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