#1
Hey guys, I'm looking for a new combo tube amp for high gain tones. I play stuff like Lamb of God, Meshuggah, and In Flames.
I don't care for good cleans (I have a Jazz Chorus for that) and I'd like something that can also handle the low frequencies of my 8 string (so probably 12' speakers).
I will be using it for practice and jams, so a power attenuator switch could be useful, too. As for the wattage, I'm not sure exactly how much I need.
I want to be able to generate good metal tones out of it, my metal zone (please don't turn this into a flaming thread ) is OK, but I'm growing tired of it. I want something more crunchy, more organic sounding.

Budget is up to $1000 now, but if it's really worth it, I can wait and save more money for it. Suggestions?
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^ I thought an attenuator switch would be good since I can't play at high volumes at home, and tube amps tend to sound better when pushed...
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I'd recommend something from the Randall MTS series. You can find more info here:

http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/foru...d.php?t=1188551

http://www.randallamplifiers.com/index.php

http://mtsforum.grailtone.com/index.php

Soundclips of modules:

http://www.bandslink.com/randall.htm

Modder's Sites:

Pete/Gigmods: http://www.gigmods.com/index.html

Rob/Jaded Faith: http://jadedfaithmods.com/

Anthony/Salvation: http://salvationmods.com/

Basically the modules are interchangeable channels. Each one is designed to emulate a specific amp (Blackface = Fender Blackface, SL+ = Marshall Super Lead, etc.). They each use two preamp tubes. The modder's i mentioned above will make modifications to stock modules to make them better...whether it be replacing everything with higher quality parts or adding different switches and different valued parts to make them sound better/more versatile. Rob and Pete do mostly mods that improve the modules itself. Anthony's mods aim to emulate other amps. For instances his Loneclean aims to emulate the Mesa Lone Star...but it can do far more than that (i have it and it is very versatile). The Mash All aims to capture the greatness of several classic Marshall amps (haven't tried it, but i desperately want it). Mods are usually about $200 before shipping, which isn't bad imo.

Stock modules cost about $200 new, but i would recommend going used b/c it is cheaper. You might even be able to find some ppl selling mod'd modules on the MTS forum. You should check the classifieds there for the amp and modules...you will save a whole lot of money. Also check craigslist...ebay would be the last resort.


This is a really good deal if you can jump on it: http://mtsforum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?t=10591

And for a module: http://mtsforum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?t=10614
Check out clips of it on Salvation's page.

The Gigmods recto here would also be a good choice: http://mtsforum.grailtone.com/viewtopic.php?t=10500

It really depends on what amp tones you like most. A Gigmods 1087 is really good for any type of metal...i've gotten some good tones for In Flames. If you like Mesa Boogies, then the Markus and Recto i just mentioned would be good choices. If you like Marshall's then either get a stock Marshall module or look for a mod'd one (i highly recommend the Mash All by Salvation). It you like Engl's, then Salvation's Angel mod is the one to get. There are so many options, i'm sure you can find a module that will get you the tone you want. This is one of the most versatile amp series' out there.

If you have any questions, feel free to PM me.

Good Luck
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^Woah thanks for the info, I'll definitely give it a look! And what do you guys think about the Mesa Roadster? It's pretty damn expensive, but is it worth it?
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#6
A Mesa Roadster is an awsome amp, but it's pretty hard to use, lots of controls. And like you said, very expensive. But I doubt you'd ever be dissapointed in it if you bought it.
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^ I thought an attenuator switch would be good since I can't play at high volumes at home, and tube amps tend to sound better when pushed...


Tube amps sound better at high volumes because the power tubes are pushed which adds power tube saturation. This is valued particularly in mid gain rock tones, blues etc.. for metal you're going to want preamp distortion, which is no problem at low volumes.

Granted, it will still probably sound better with power tube saturation but it will still sound fantastic at lower volumes.
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^Woah thanks for the info, I'll definitely give it a look! And what do you guys think about the Mesa Roadster? It's pretty damn expensive, but is it worth it?

Ya, Mesa's are pretty expensive...but after trying a Mesa Single Rect, i think they are definitely worth it. I think you'd be better off looking for a used one. But i ultimately recommend the Randall MTS amp b/c it can get you any tone you want...it just depends on the module. If i'm not mistaken, the roadster is a rectifier...so one of the Recto module should nail that pretty well. As far as stock goes, the Grail is said to be the best Recto-based module...but then there are the mod'd ones. I showed you the Gigmods Recto, but there is also the Salvation Deadplate and Jaded Faith Recto. But the Gigmods Recto is up for sale, so that would be the one to jump on. You can find clips on Pete's site...there are clips for the other ones on the modder's site. Again...extremely versatile amp...i cannot stress that enough.
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#9
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^ I thought an attenuator switch would be good since I can't play at high volumes at home, and tube amps tend to sound better when pushed...

One, like I said, there really aren't many amps that have an "attenuator switch" built in.

Simply attenuating isn't the answer. Attenuators, by themselves, IMO, are never the answer for getting cranked tone at low levels. Great cranked tone is a product of several things, and getting an amp's power stage working is only one element of it. Attenuators, IMO, are best used when you are trying to bring a cranked amp to a level only a little bit quieter than how it is cranked.
#10
If you want a cranked tone at bedroom volumes, you're going to want a reamping rig, which will involve an attenuator with a line out and a power amp.

Otherwise you could just get something like a Line 6 Vetta or an Axe-FX (I believe Meshuggah actually use/used the Vetta at some point) which, being digital amps, do not benefit from cranked tones.

The Ampeg VH140c or SS140c are wonderful for quiet playing too (solid state) and bring the br00tz, but they're also very loud when you need them to be.
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