Page 1 of 2
#1
No no,

no no no no,

no no no no,

no no,

THERES NO LIMIT!

Hey guys

This is a weird question so i'll try to phrase it right but I think it could work...

Okay! Story is I have a JCM800, the rest of the story is that DAMN IT'S LOUD!


Here you probably expect me to ask if I can get cranked tonez at a bedroom level and essentially, that isn't my question


I've found that at a "bedroom" level, my amp is thin, lifeless, and has no balls. However when the MV is roughly on 1/1.5 the character of the amp is there (sure it's not cranked toanz but thats not what i'm after for bedroom use)

Because that small gap is reflected by a huge volume change, I can't dial in the amps character at reasonable levels.

If I buy a attenuator, running my amp at 1/2 (a fair low level), be able to increase the threshold of usable volume?

i.e Getting an attenuator and making a "quiet but good" setting at a even quieter volume?

Any help would be great


Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#2
As a fellow 800 owner, my recommendation for bedroom tone is a different amp that is designed to do just that.

One for home, one for gigs.

They just don't sound that good when they're not on 6 or higher, IMO.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#3
I know what're youre saying bubbs, a new amp is probably better, but i'm struggling to find a decent marshally mini amp head

I'm not after uber 800 tone at bedrooms, just something so I can get use out of something I have and love.

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#4
^ Just saying, you can get better tone from a decent modeler at bedroom volumes for less money than you'd spend on an attenuator to tame that beast.

My Flextone was $100 whereas my MASS (not extremely good) was about $150 used.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#5
Take a look at the Blackstar HT-5 head; you can get one used for around or less than the cost of the attenuator you’ll need to take on that 100-watt Marshall. If you live in an apartment and play at night you might need to throw a master volume in the loop, but that’s only another $15.
#6
Quote by bubb_tubbs
^ Just saying, you can get better tone from a decent modeler at bedroom volumes for less money than you'd spend on an attenuator to tame that beast.

My Flextone was $100 whereas my MASS (not extremely good) was about $150 used.


Are there any decent low wattage head modellers? (don't want another largish combo due to lack of space)

The only one that comes to mind is the vypyr's, VT's and cubes'. I already have a microcube thoughs

Might look further into the HT-5, or Egnater Tweaker...

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#8
Quote by jpnyc
Take a look at the Blackstar HT-5 head; you can get one used for around or less than the cost of the attenuator you’ll need to take on that 100-watt Marshall. If you live in an apartment and play at night you might need to throw a master volume in the loop, but that’s only another $15.


wat

The Blackstar already has a master volume.
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
#9
It need's revalving, and biasing for sure. Would that help it at least be able to cut down on the "sudden" jump to loudness and balls?

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#11
Quote by mmolteratx
wat

The Blackstar already has a master volume.

It's also not $200.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#12
I'll probably stump up the cash for a HT5/HT20 and a nice 1x12.

Gives me a chance to add a nice TS and reverb to my board.

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#14
I'm really happy with how it sounds when I'm not using at home, e.g. anywhere where I can't annoy people in close proximity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZGh38uu1OY

The G, D, A progression at the end is a nice tone imo and thats at 1! (thats my own short film, recorded etc by me)

I like the idea of having a new toy too so I may go down that route, or even install a post phase inverter master volume...

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#15
The PPI-MV is pretty disappointing at low volumes. It still needs to be turned up around 1/3-1/2 way from my experience.
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
#16
The only thing modding it does to higher volumes is make it open up even more, and be less bright. It would be using a standard Marshall input circuit - the classic 68K value.

Also, a PPIMV would mean that there would never be any power tube overdrive - just Phase Inverter OD. Still sounds good...just worth noting.
Last edited by forsaknazrael at Jul 6, 2010,
#17
Quote by mmolteratx
The Blackstar already has a master volume.


The HT-5 just has per-channel volumes. Trust me, I have one about two feet to my left.

It's also not $200.

I’ve seen the heads running $180–$250 used here in NYC. A good attenuator will be at least that much, and could cost a lot more.
#18
If an amp has a gain knob, it has a master volume. Trust me, I have 3 or 4 books on tube amp design about 2 feet to my left.
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
#19
^ That's NYC, it won't be the same everywhere else.

There's not a single one used outside of eBay for the whole of Canada, for example.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#20
An idea you could play with is getting a reamping rig, which would involve a load box and a power amp, such as the Crate Powerblock. The idea behind it is you crank the 800, whose signal is run into the load box, which is run into the power amp that controls your actual overall volume. That would give you your cranked tones at low volumes.
Quote by DeathByDestroyr
What the hell is a G&L.



Quote by Flux'D
Gay & Lesbian I think, the box smelled funny
Greg what did you send me??
#21
Thanks for the suggestion Dylan, i've looked into reamping but it seems an expensive way round it, plus i'm too lazy to actually do it!

I'll probably get a HT5, OD808 and Cathedral reverb, that'll do nicely!

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#22
A reamping rig can be had for like $250. Just get a used Weber attenuator or load box with a line out and a used Crate Powerblock. Bam. Instant low volume cranked amp tones. You won't have the interaction with the speakers breaking up but it's much nicer than an attenuator.
E-peen:
Rhodes Gemini
Fryette Ultra Lead
Peavey 6505
THD Flexi 50

Gibson R0 Prototype
EBMM JP13 Rosewood
Fender CS Mary Kaye

WTLT

(512) Audio Engineering - Custom Pedal Builds, Mods and Repairs
#23
To be honest, it'd sound alot better than the HT-5 probably does.

I'd still get the OD808 and the Cathedral, though.
Quote by DeathByDestroyr
What the hell is a G&L.



Quote by Flux'D
Gay & Lesbian I think, the box smelled funny
Greg what did you send me??
#24
I'll do some ebay research into a load box & powerblock... Weber's aren't too common in the UK but i'm sure I can track something similar down.

To be fair i'm looking for an excuse to go to my local music store

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#25
Weber ships internationally. I'm not sure of a European source for an attenuator, but you could Google it... I think Mojotone ships internationally too.
Quote by DeathByDestroyr
What the hell is a G&L.



Quote by Flux'D
Gay & Lesbian I think, the box smelled funny
Greg what did you send me??
#26
Hmms it's roughly £200 for an attenuator on ebay/imported plus then £100+ for a powerblock so it's getting on for a fair bit of money...

£160 for a S/H HT5..

I'll go to a music store asap and settle some GAS...

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#27
Quote by bubb_tubbs
^ Just saying, you can get better tone from a decent modeler at bedroom volumes for less money than you'd spend on an attenuator to tame that beast.

My Flextone was $100 whereas my MASS (not extremely good) was about $150 used.

how well does your Mass work?
#28
also the blackstar just isn't any good.

maybe grab a class 5?
or save up for a fargen miniplex.

also the blackstar just isn't any good.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#29
Quote by Davidure09
how well does your Mass work?

For bedroom tone? It does all right, I guess,, but that's not what I bought it for.

I bought it so that the audience doesn't die from having the JCM 800 on 10 in small clubs.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion.

Feel free to express yours so I can make an informed judgement about how stupid you are.
#30
Quote by bubb_tubbs
For bedroom tone? It does all right, I guess,, but that's not what I bought it for.

I bought it so that the audience doesn't die from having the JCM 800 on 10 in small clubs.


+1 It's pretty much being able to keep a tiger on a leash.

Sure it's restricted a bit but it'll still tear your face off.


Hmmm, I'm not after any uber tonez, but that said i've never had a proper sit down and play with the HT5.

I was considering a Class 5 with a Rothwell Hellbender AND a tubescreamer, but that seems a bit of a one trick pony, but doing that trick VERY well.

Chrisiedit

This Fargen Miniplex MKII = DO WANT

Seems perfect, almost too perfect... hmmmm!

I'd rip those EL34's out and put some KT66's in, may have to inquire about international shipping too.

Thanks for the heads up min!

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
Last edited by Chrisiphone at Jul 7, 2010,
#32
ya that fargen is the ish.

the london scaling is a great attentuating tech.
that's also another direction for power management aside from attentuators and stuff.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#33
If you are having problems with touchiness of the volume controls then maybe a cheap F&H EQ in the loop would help.
#34
I'm going to try and get some extra hours in at work, get some monies so I can spend spend spend on a Fargen.

I've looked into Power Scaling before, so I might do that to my JCM sooner or later.

^
No effects loop buddy!

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#35
what's your budget right now? or I mean how much you got right now.

here's a video of the miniplex in action.

start saving up and keep an eye out on tgp's used gear. the mini plex doesn't come up very often and they get sold really fast.

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=726859&highlight=fargen

here's a custom 30 watt mighty plex that just sold

http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=743264&highlight=fargen
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#36
Money I have right now? £128.37!

I spent a fair bit of money kitting out my camera so that explains why it's so low...

Although doing through TGP is probably the best way to get a nice cheap one, but due to past experience with me buying from the US it's something i'd rather not do again through forums or even ebay. I'd much rather do it through Fargen themselves.

It'll take me a good few months to get, but I like having a goal to get.

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#37
you are win. good luck!

don't blow it all on booze and weed.
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#38
Sweeeeet!

Thanks for all your help Min, if it wasn't for you i'd have never had the help I did!

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
#39
hey just for funs ask me what type of guitar would be best for metal through your soon to be miniplex
Jumping on dat gear sig train.
PRS Hollowbody II / BKP Warpigs
Strandberg OS6T / BKP Aftermath
Strandberg OS7 / Lace Poopsticks
Skervesen Raptor 7FF / BKP Warpigs
Skervesen Raptor 6 NTB / BKP Juggernauts
Hapas Sludge 7 FF / Hapas Leviathan
Anderson Baritom / Motorcity Nuke BKP Sinner Anderson H2+
Warmoth Baritone / BKP Piledriver
Ibanez Rg2120x / BKP Nailbomb

Blackstar ID:Core Beam
#40
What would be the best type of guitar for metal for my mini plex?

Epiphone Les Paul Standard w/ SD Alnico Pro II's
Fender Aerodyne Telecaster & Stratocaster
Marshall JCM 800 4104 combo


E-Married to Funny_Page
Page 1 of 2