#1
Hi UG, I plan on buying a Japanese made Les Paul for not more than Euro600

I saw many lawsuit Japanese brands that manufactured Les Pauls

Which were the most high quality and closs to the gibson specs?

Orville
Greco
Burny
Edwards ( a bit expensive)
Tokai

I looked into Orville and Greco Mint Series so far and i liked their quality
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#2
Orville was a brand managed by Gibson a while back so I would assume that the closest spec to an American LP would be the Orville.
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#4
why you would recommend tokai?
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I would reccommend tokai


+1

tokai are a good brand and look close to the real deal. ok not all models are gonna be gibson competitors but my tokai sg sounds sweet. and they are well priced too. you can get some really good ones too if u got the money
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#6
Just be aware that some of the MIJ Companies also offer a lower end product as well that is either MIK or MIC! (Tokai for one example). A good MIJ will cost you almost as much as a Gibson and in some cases more.
Word is Edwards components are MIC but assembled in Japan. (Can't confirm this)
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#7
^ +1 (though in europe MIJ is still normally a fair bit less than the equivalent gibson model).

check out the tokai registry forum and the japanaxe forum for more information. THere are a lot of MIJ guitar fans there.
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#8
my tokai is MIK but it sounds great for 200 quid
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#9
Tokai's Japanese LPs are very good. You're not gonna get a new one for 600€ though, but there's a chance you could find an used one.
#10
i've seen richtone selling new plaintop MIJ Tokai LPs for around £600... that's about 700 euro, i guess (though i have no idea what postage to malta might be)? I mean, it's over budget, but only slightly. you might get lucky if you find a shop trying to get rid of new old stock or something.
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#11
the thing is that i will sell my epi les paul standard plus to get a Jap Les Paul close to a Gibby. if i dont get the higher quality ones it will be useless to sell my epi... and i dont know about tokai. they seem more epiphone to me

i've been looking at greco's mint collection series. are they any good?
http://global.ebay.com/Greco_EG59-50_Standard_LP_Guitar_Sunburst_MIJ_1989/220633184673/item

btw the older the guitar ther better. and nitro finish will be a nice option
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#12
tokai more like epiphone? LOL
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#13
Quote by peterocker
the thing is that i will sell my epi les paul standard plus to get a Jap Les Paul close to a Gibby. if i dont get the higher quality ones it will be useless to sell my epi... and i dont know about tokai. they seem more epiphone to me
i've been looking at greco's mint collection series. are they any good?
http://global.ebay.com/Greco_EG59-50_Standard_LP_Guitar_Sunburst_MIJ_1989/220633184673/item

btw the older the guitar ther better. and nitro finish will be a nice option



Tokai were quite well known as far back as the 70's. When Gibson was having a rough time making decent Les Pauls people found that Tokai was duplicating the '59 LP quite well.

EDIT: I see the Ebay poster says this Greco came from the Fugijen factory. That's were Epi Elitists were made as well. I'd be a little hesitant to buy used on Ebay from a foreign location. If you're not pleased with the guitar shipping it back (if allowed to begin with) will be costly. At least if you buy new you'll get some sort of warranty.
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#14
i'm a big fan of both burny and edwards. both are quality companies, and both have very convincing LP-style guitars. especially edwards
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#15
Tokai Les Pauls... I played one and I couldn't tell the difference between a real Les Paul and the Tokai.
#16
I guess availability will factor in too. For new, I think it's Edwards or Tokai as the others are no longer in production (??), for used it's Tokai, Orville, Burny, Greco, Elitists & maybe Edwards but they (Edwards) are fairly new to begin with so less chance of used I'd think.
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#17
i still think u cant go too far wrong with the tokai's
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#18
you can still get burnies (though like tokai, a lot aren't MIJ now, so that's worth bearing in mind), i think greco still exists too (though whether they still make F+G copies, I'm not sure- they make those zemaitis guitars now).

Bacchus is another one which has a great reputation, I haven't tried them, though. I don't think they're making straight clones any more, though, though they do still have a singlecut which is pretty close to a LP. Again, some aren't MIJ so before buying you need to make sure you know what the model is.

I think elitists are just MIJ epiphones now, but i could be wrong. i think they're only for the japanese market, though.

I think edwardses come up fairly often used, too.

for most of them, availability and value will be the problem. The yen is extremely strong at the moment.
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#19
What about epiphone elitists?

Get a 2nd hand one?

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#20
Personally, I've only played Edwards Les Pauls, out of the options. (Two different models that felt pretty much the same )

I'd say they have a really nice feel to them, I've heard that MIJ Tokais can be greater quality than Edwards LPs, but I've never tried one.
#21
can you post some good models? maybe ebay or something just to see the actual product
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#22
Unfortunately I never did any extensive research on the Edwards models I just played a couple.

http://www.espguitars.co.jp/edwards/index.html

The LPs are in the second and third lists, Although the third list is a bit more pricey because of some "Lacquer Taste" feature. I don't know anything about it though so I couldn't say if it was worth the extra cost or not.

The price (in yen) in usually inflated, but considering shipping and import taxes they may be pretty close to what you actually end up paying.
#23
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... I think elitists are just MIJ epiphones now, but i could be wrong. i think they're only for the japanese market, though. ...
Epi Elitists are MIJ for the non-Japanese market. Epi Elite Series are MIJ for the Japan market only. Elites have the "correct" open book headstock ala Gibson, too.




And for the 452nd time:



#24
yeah, i meant if you wanted pretty much the same thing as an epi elitist you could just get the japanese-market MIJ epis.
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Epi Elitists are MIJ for the non-Japanese market. Epi Elite Series are MIJ for the Japan market only. Elites have the "correct" open book headstock ala Gibson, too.




And for the 452nd time:






Two different issues here.
Elite was the original name until Ovation raised a stink and Epi changed it to Elitist (04 I believe). Elites were sold everywhere and export models did not have the Gibson style headtsock.
The open book headstock was for sale in Japan only.
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Quote by Ippon
Epi Elitists are MIJ for the non-Japanese market. Epi Elite Series are MIJ for the Japan market only. Elites have the "correct" open book headstock ala Gibson, too.




Quote by KenG
Two different issues here.
Elite was the original name until Ovation raised a stink and Epi changed it to Elitist (04 I believe). Elites were sold everywhere and export models did not have the Gibson style headtsock.
The open book headstock was for sale in Japan only.
Huh?

I thought that was what I said and the pic to go with it.