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i think people are classifying their music as progressive when it really isnt. when i think of the term progressive i think i mix of many genres, originally rock+blues+jazz=progressive rock and more recently bands like between the buried and me that use many genres such as metal fusion jazz and so forth. i guess the term progressive as changed because i see bands labeled as progressive when all they are really doing is staying in one genre and playing something really not so original.

what do you think the genre progressive really means?
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i think people are classifying their music as progressive when it really isnt. when i think of the term progressive i think i mix of many genres, originally rock+blues+jazz=progressive rock and more recently bands like between the buried and me that use many genres such as metal fusion jazz and so forth. i guess the term progressive as changed because i see bands labeled as progressive when all they are really doing is staying in one genre and playing something really not so original.

what do you think the genre progressive really means?

It means doing something new. Mixing genres is not necessarily new. Unless it's a genre that isn't ordinarily mixed.

For example:

The Beatles brilliant innovations in recording techniques and soundscaping=Progressive.

Tool rehashing old King Crimson ideas=/=Progressive.
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I think it means that you try more unusual things in your music, like Dream Theater's song, 'Dance of Eternity.' You can't really tell me you've heard anything like that song before. That goes for a good amount of songs they have.

Usually progressive bands 'progress' over different genres in interesting ways.
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#4
I've always considered progressive to mean the music has a linear song structure. It "progresses" from start to finish.
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#5
By definition, the TERM, not genre, "progressive" means that it is original and based on new ways of thinking to the point that it may be pioneering. However, the genre of progressive music really doesn't always hold up to that, as many artists who are not progressive by genre are progressive by definition of the term.
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#6
the genre "Progressive" or Prog-rock to me, means Renaissance, Gentle Giant, Yes, Emerson Lake and Palmer, King Crimson.
bands like that. not this modern crap thats classified as progressive.
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I've always considered progressive to mean the music has a linear song structure. It "progresses" from start to finish.
Same here. That's what it seems like for most bands considered progressive.
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I've always considered progressive to mean the music has a linear song structure. It "progresses" from start to finish.

That's how I take it too.

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That you play in 359/16 and your songs are either 15 seconds long or over 30 minutes.

edit: and if you play in drop Z then it's grindcore.
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the term "progressive" in music has really come to mean some disgusting annoying 20 minute long pretentious self indulgent bullshit rehashing Rush and King Crimson littered with pointless time changes and unenjoyably obnoxious solos.

example: Dream Theater
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the term "progressive" in music has really come to mean some disgusting annoying 20 minute long pretentious self indulgent bullshit rehashing Rush and King Crimson littered with pointless time changes and unenjoyably obnoxious solos.

example: Dream Theater



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the term "progressive" in music has really come to mean some disgusting annoying 20 minute long pretentious self indulgent bullshit rehashing Rush and King Crimson littered with pointless time changes and unenjoyably obnoxious solos.

example: Dream Theater

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the term "progressive" in music has really come to mean some disgusting annoying 20 minute long pretentious self indulgent bullshit rehashing Rush and King Crimson littered with pointless time changes and unenjoyably obnoxious solos.

example: Dream Theater


Sounds like someone who can't listen to or appreciate "long progessive-y" songs because their attention span simply won't allow it. Pretty sad really.
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the term "progressive" in music has really come to mean some disgusting annoying 20 minute long pretentious self indulgent bullshit rehashing Rush and King Crimson littered with pointless time changes and unenjoyably obnoxious solos.

example: Dream Theater


You could make idiotic remarks like this on just about any genre. And last time I checked, petrucci is a pretty nice guy.

I think someone's jealous they can't make music like Dream Theater.
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the term "progressive" in music has really come to mean some disgusting annoying 20 minute long pretentious self indulgent bullshit rehashing Rush and King Crimson littered with pointless time changes and unenjoyably obnoxious solos.

example: Dream Theater


You say that like you've heard every "progressive" song ever.
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Sounds like someone who can't listen to or appreciate "long progessive-y songs" songs because their attention span simply won't allow it. Pretty sad really.

I appreciate long songs, such as Bob Dylan's "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" and the Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray" as well as "Dogs" and "Eclipse" by Pink Floyd and "The End" by the Doors.

The difference is these songs were actually progressive for their time, rather a reconstruction of old ideas in abrasive and superfluous gimmicks of time signatures and iolian wankering.
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That you play in 359/16 and your songs are either 15 seconds long or over 30 minutes.

edit: and if you play in drop Z then it's grindcore.




I just think of Dream Theater (like a lot of this thread I suppose) when I hear "progressive" used as a musical genre. No idea what it means though.
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What's wrong with modern progressive music?


its nothing like the bands i mentioned that are real progressive.
progressive is dead.
no bands will breathe new life into the genre. the genre died with the bands i mentioned.
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don't get me wrong, i like some of modern "progressive" i just think thats the wrong name for the genre.
#23
I think Porcupine Tree is progressive. Tell me if I'm wrong please.
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I appreciate long songs, such as Bob Dylan's "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" and the Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray" as well as "Dogs" and "Eclipse" by Pink Floyd and "The End" by the Doors.

The difference is these songs were actually progressive for their time, rather a reconstruction of old ideas in abrasive and superfluous gimmicks of time signatures and iolian wankering.


Sucks you don't know what progressive means. (Pink Floyd is progressive, but not half the artists you mentioned)
I respesct your opinion though. I'm not an ass when it comes to music.
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#26
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don't get me wrong, i like some of modern "progressive" i just think thats the wrong name for the genre.


What would be a good name for it then? I'm probably going to start a Dream Theater- type band sometime in the near-ish future, and I don't want to be listed under the wrong genre.
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its nothing like the bands i mentioned that are real progressive.
progressive is dead.
no bands will breathe new life into the genre. the genre died with the bands i mentioned.



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its nothing like the bands i mentioned that are real progressive.
progressive is dead.
no bands will breathe new life into the genre. the genre died with the bands i mentioned.

Of course it's nothing like the progressive music of the 70's. Music changes a lot over the course of 40 years. These bands are breathing new life into the genre by taking it in new directions and evolving and broadening the genre. Staying within the same confines of the bands you mentioned wouldn't do anything to advance music.
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Sucks you don't know what progressive means. (Pink Floyd is progressive, but not half the artists you mentioned)
I respesct your opinion though. I'm not an ass when it comes to music.

in terms of the bands that i mentioned i was not discussing whether or not they were progressive, but whether or not I had the ability to appreciate a long song.

perhaps i should attempt to explain again, in kinder terms.


the word "progressive" in the music world does mean the same as it in does in normal use, in the music world it takes on different connotations. in terms of music, the term "progressive" generally does not mean "innovative" or "pioneering" but rather describes a certain genre that is a caricature of music that was once innovative or pioneering.

and thanks being being so not an ass that you had to tell me you weren't
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Of course it's nothing like the progressive music of the 70's. Music changes a lot over the course of 40 years. These bands are breathing new life into the genre by taking it in new directions and evolving and broadening the genre. Staying within the same confines of the bands you mentioned wouldn't do anything to advance music.


with what you just said... basically what i got from it was you saying they aren't in the genre any more, they've changed it, and evolved it into something different. therefore a term like Nu-prog is more fitting? like Nu-Metal? its crap compared to the real stuff, it has hints of the real stuff, but it'll never be anything like the original.
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Progressive music (my view on it, anyway) is simply music that is making an effort in deviating from the norm, and adding more sophisticated elements rather than just bashing out I-IV-V power chord progressions. Mixing genres, less conventional key changes, and more complex song structures are a few characteristics of what I'm thinking of.

This is NOT to be confused with "Prog," more of a genre than the general term "progressive." Prog is generally what I consider to be "math metal" and things that do absolutely nothing but change time signatures and be overly complicated for the genre's sake.

Progressive: Dream Theater, King Crimson, Three, Porcupine Tree, Steve Vai
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What would be a good name for it then? I'm probably going to start a Dream Theater- type band sometime in the near-ish future, and I don't want to be listed under the wrong genre.


How's Nu-Prog, sound?
or, in honor of Dream theater, seeing as they seem to be the figurehead of modern prog... Theater Rock. or Dream Rock?
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How's Nu-Prog, sound?
or, in honor of Dream theater, seeing as they seem to be the figurehead of modern prog... Theater Rock. or Dream Rock?

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in terms of the bands that i mentioned i was not discussing whether or not they were progressive, but whether or not I had the ability to appreciate a long song.

perhaps i should attempt to explain again, in kinder terms.


the word "progressive" in the music world does mean the same as it in does in normal use, in the music world it takes on different connotations. in terms of music, the term "progressive" generally does not mean "innovative" or "pioneering" but rather describes a certain genre that is a caricature of music that was once innovative or pioneering.

and thanks being being so not an ass that you had to tell me you weren't


Well, you are right. Thing is, generaly people take up progressive as either prog rock or metal. I think progressive music as a general could be thorughly disscussed.
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with what you just said... basically what i got from it was you saying they aren't in the genre any more, they've changed it, and evolved it into something different. therefore a term like Nu-prog is more fitting? like Nu-Metal? its crap compared to the real stuff, it has hints of the real stuff, but it'll never be anything like the original.

I'm saying progressive music encompasses an enormous conglomeration of music including but not limited to bands like Yes and King Crimson. Break it into sub-genres all you want.
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Quote by RU Experienced?
I'm saying progressive music encompasses an enormous conglomeration of music including but not limited to bands like Yes and King Crimson. Break it into sub-genres all you want.

i just think its offensive to the creators of the Progressive genre when you put bands like btbam, and dream theater in the same group with the likes of Renaissance and King Crimson.
i believe thats where sub genres would come in handy. especially here. i do like most modern prog. but given the choice, i'd listen to the classic prog over any of the modern stuff.
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but given the choice, i'd listen to the classic prog over any of the modern stuff.

which goes to show how progressive you really are


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i just think its offensive to the creators of the Progressive genre when you put bands like btbam, and dream theater in the same group with the likes of Renaissance and King Crimson.
i believe thats where sub genres would come in handy. especially here. i do like most modern prog. but given the choice, i'd listen to the classic prog over any of the modern stuff.
Offensive? I think that they'd be thrilled to see how enduring and far-stretching their influence on modern music has been.
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I appreciate long songs, such as Bob Dylan's "Sad Eyed Lady of the Lowlands" and the Velvet Underground's "Sister Ray" as well as "Dogs" and "Eclipse" by Pink Floyd and "The End" by the Doors.

The difference is these songs were actually progressive for their time, rather a reconstruction of old ideas in abrasive and superfluous gimmicks of time signatures and iolian wankering.


Iolian isnt a mode bro...

As for TS question, progressive music is the type of music that is bent on communism, socialism, and marxism. It wants to control every aspect of your life, and take and waste all your money.

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