#1
hey guys we recently kicked out our drummer
hes now threatening to copyright our shit and sue the pants off us,
truth of the matter is, he never wrote anything, like i give him credit for like 3 drum fills, but thats about it, and like hes case would not hold up whatsoever,
question is, what do i need to do to prove i wrote all those songs,
like i mean i could hand him a guitar in the court room and tell him to play it but it doesnt work that way. ( i live in ontario canada) and yah so what should i be coming up with to prove those are my songs.


like couldnt anyone on here listen to an amateur recording and take it and say its theirs, like alot of people can figure stuff out by ear, if they can write it out faster and claim it as theirs i dont know how to prove otherwise know what i mean.
sorry for the rant im just scared of losing everything ive worked for
#4
He's bluffing. He's just butt hurt because he was kicked out of the group.
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#7
Like someone said, he's just pissy because he got the boot.
just write everything down, and do the C thing.
OR, go record your stuff, either put it on youtube so the date will say you made it by a certain time, or mail it to yourself and never open it, works the same way basically.
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#8
true im just dont wanna deal with the headache if he does.
on top of that copyrighting could be a bad idea for the band because if all of us or one of us gets the rights to the songs, then something happens to another member and he leaves that could cause a big shit storm too.

however were more concerned for out two new recordings because the only thing he can claim is those really. which as i understand you can copyright a song and a recording,
so as an idea i think ill ask the dude that recorded us to, well give him all the rights to the songs and then when this blows over he can sign them back. hes very trustworthy and a longtime friend

ps if you wanna hear the recordings theres one up on my page.
#9
He can't do anything, all it would come out to in court is his word against yours (not that it will ever go to court). If you really to cover your ass, write down/record your songs and mail them to yourself in an envolope with a copy of the day's newspaper. Do not open the package. You can use it in court as proof of copyright.
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#11
So by your logic you'll never copyright a song just in case another band member leaves? Dude, all of these band members had an input to the song. Don't be a dick and try to take that away from them, Axl.
#12
like dude, like, why don't you *inhales weed* why don't you, like, write the songs on napkins *exhales* and like, put the napkins in a bottle and like, just put it in the ocean. Then *inhale* when ever you are worried, like, about copyright, just wait for like, some person to writing to you, you know? because they found your bottle? *exhale - ........silence*
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#17


Did someone say "bastard drummer"?

Anyway, write the lyrics, tempo, chords, key, etc. on paper.

Mail it to yourself. You now have a poor man's copyright, as it's been processed by the government and stamped and dated as such. If yours predates his, you win. DO NOT OPEN IT. This will void the authenticity of it, as you could now have just taken any old envelope and shoved them in there. If you want to take it a step further, call your local elected official and ask how to do so in your state, province, city, etc. From there, "Bring it on bitch", then countersue for costs, slander and defamation.

Edit: Do you want to stop him from going Lars on you? Then you have to copyright that shit. No other way, if he gets a copyright and decides he's going to sue you for infringement and you don't have a copyright, you're screwed.
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#18
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thats what im saying i dont want to copy right the songs cause it may impact the people that deserve credit for it, however i will mail it to myself and post on youtbe

?? You make no sense. Your band wrote the songs, your band should copyright them.
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?? You make no sense. Your band wrote the songs, your band should copyright them.


ok well the other guitarist and me pretty much wrote everything, but if we attach all our names to it then it will cause a big hubbub if someone quits and trys to claim it and say we cant use it anymore.
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Quote by Yayo.Eric
ok well the other guitarist and me pretty much wrote everything, but if we attach all our names to it then it will cause a big hubbub if someone quits and trys to claim it and say we cant use it anymore.


So then come to a legal agreement, have a family friend with some experience in law write up a contract, and sign it. Then you have a legally binding document that you all are required to hold to in that event.
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#21
wise idea!

thanks all for the help!

im gonna go with the pour mans copyright and mail it tomyself

so i need a list of exactly what i should include.
how percise should the sheet music be
should i do the same for our name and logo/slogans?
#22
It should be as precise as he knows. If he's some mad theory genius, then you're going to want to find a cheap transcriber and/or someone who can write sheet music you know who'll do it cheap and get it professionally done. If he just knows time signatures and keys, just the lyrics, chords, tempo, maybe time signature, key, and if you feel like it, a simple form of the melody written out on scratch paper would do the trick.

As for the names and slogans and all that, you can't copyright names, though it'd be a good idea to include the band's name in the envelope to prove you had it first; for example, in 1976 when they were just in the US and Canada, Rush couldn't sue some band in the Soviet Union called Rush. Nowadays they could sue a Russian band called Rush if they felt the need, but they're not massive jackasses. However if there was another Canadian band in '76 called Rush, then if the other Rush formed later, they'd have to go under a different name in the states and Canada.

Or in short, legally you can't copyright them, but getting it proven that you had it first is a good idea so he can't make you change it. Or something like that. For more information, go here;

https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1053221
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#23
thanks man and thats perfect. aha for the record im will be doing a masters in theory at the univercity of ottawa and he thinks one bar consist of playing the riff once, or i once heard him say that a bar was one note, which is possible i guess aha, but pretty pointless. regardless when it comes to writing it out well have no problem with that

thanks for the tip and the thread its really helpful
#24
Quote by Yayo.Eric
hey guys we recently kicked out our drummer
hes now threatening to copyright our shit and sue the pants off us,
truth of the matter is, he never wrote anything, like i give him credit for like 3 drum fills, but thats about it, and like hes case would not hold up whatsoever,
question is, what do i need to do to prove i wrote all those songs,
like i mean i could hand him a guitar in the court room and tell him to play it but it doesnt work that way. ( i live in ontario canada) and yah so what should i be coming up with to prove those are my songs.


like couldnt anyone on here listen to an amateur recording and take it and say its theirs, like alot of people can figure stuff out by ear, if they can write it out faster and claim it as theirs i dont know how to prove otherwise know what i mean.
sorry for the rant im just scared of losing everything ive worked for

you don't need to register anything with the copyright office to have anything copyrighted either. The moment your music was created, it's copyrighted. You can't copyright drum fills, or chord progressions. The only thing with music you can copyright would be the lyrics or melodic line. If he didn't write any of those by himself, then he can't do anything anyway. Even if he did "help" write a melody or a lyric, he did it with the band, and he wouldn't have ownership of the song.

To copyright something just put a circle with a C inside, a date, and your name, and it's lawfully copyrighted. You only have to get it to the office for record of it but if it does end up going to court (it won't) you'll still have proof it's yours, and he won't have anything. You just need to have your music in tangible form. If you have a recording or something, or any notation at all, that would work.

By the way, I'm a sophomore music business student at a university.
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you don't need to register anything with the copyright office to have anything copyrighted either. The moment your music was created, it's copyrighted. You can't copyright drum fills, or chord progressions. The only thing with music you can copyright would be the lyrics or melodic line. If he didn't write any of those by himself, then he can't do anything anyway. Even if he did "help" write a melody or a lyric, he did it with the band, and he wouldn't have ownership of the song.

To copyright something just put a circle with a C inside, a date, and your name, and it's lawfully copyrighted. You only have to get it to the office for record of it but if it does end up going to court (it won't) you'll still have proof it's yours, and he won't have anything. You just need to have your music in tangible form. If you have a recording or something, or any notation at all, that would work.

By the way, I'm a sophomore music business student at a university.



thanks for the tip man. do these laws apply in Canada? Ontario to be more specific?
edit* or are the like universal laws more or less
#26
There are generally two types of royalties (What you're arguing over) which you guys can fight over. Songwriting, ie. mainly lyrics and mechanical, playing.

If you and the guitarist wrote everything, ie guitars, lyrics, bass, drums, etc, you should both get 50%. But if you all had equal weigh in, ie you wrote all your parts individually you should have equal songwriting rights. Everyone should have mechanical rights.
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Quote by Yayo.Eric
thanks for the tip man. do these laws apply in Canada? Ontario to be more specific?
edit* or are the like universal laws more or less

god damnit you didnt edit your post, dont put edit*. and yeah, i don't think there's much he can do unless he can provide sheet music for all of the parts in a song with a date earlier than you. I wouldnt even bother transcribing it if he has as little of a clue about music as he seems.
#28
Like dude you should totally like grow up, and like give him the rights to the song he deserves.
He like wrote parts of those songs too, so like he actually like put his input into like the songs, and shit.
You should like just grow up, and like stop being like Axl.
Do you like get me man?
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god damnit you didnt edit your post, dont put edit*. and yeah, i don't think there's much he can do unless he can provide sheet music for all of the parts in a song with a date earlier than you. I wouldnt even bother transcribing it if he has as little of a clue about music as he seems.


aha i did edit i added the last sentence in that i missed. but yah you do have a good point

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Like dude you should totally like grow up, and like give him the rights to the song he deserves.
He like wrote parts of those songs too, so like he actually like put his input into like the songs, and shit.
You should like just grow up, and like stop being like Axl.
Do you like get me man?


the other guitarist in our band wrote 90% of the drum parts like i said maybe he has credit of one or two drum fills.
on top of that the kid stole 420 dollars from me and also some money from other band members, so as far as im concerned we bought those 3 drum fills the kid was capable of coming up with. after taking the money we let him keep his place in the band for over 9 months, when he persistently decided to act like a douche and starting fights with all of us. so really i think hes more axl than myself.
#30
Like if you like haven't like recorded or like sold anything it's like not like going to matter like anyway.
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