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is there any way to turn a solid state amp into a tuber? I mean, really in reality all the solid state used for amplification is diodes instead of tubes. Would it be possible to find the correctly rated tubes and place those in spot of the diodes??

I've got the knowledge to do it, just wasn't sure if it was at all possible
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Quote by jlangholzj

I've got the knowledge to do it, just wasn't sure if it was at all possible

O RLY?

no, this is not possible
#3
Diodes instead of tubes?

No you don't have the knowledge

the only way to do what you said, is to desolder all the compontents, then build a new amp inside the current chassis
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Quote by jlangholzj
I've got the knowledge to do it, just wasn't sure if it was at all possible

How can you have the knowledge to do it, if you lack the knowledge to know that its a rediculous proposal?

You're right that SS amps use diodes instead of tubes to amplify, but you're wrong in saying that's the only difference. Its like a diesel engine and a gas one... The main difference is just the fuel used, but the components are vastly different in order for it to accomodate the different fuel.
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#7
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TS: just duct tape some toilet paper tubes on the top of your amp. They have the best tone.
#8
After some googling it looks like this is what all the pros do. Turns out you can just buy a $100 SS amp and add tubes and it becomes a plexi clone. Damn, I've been wasting my money all this time.

I also bought a Ford Escort and put a Lamborghini emblem on it, here's a pic:

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#9
Quote by jlangholzj
is there any way to turn a solid state amp into a tuber? I mean, really in reality all the solid state used for amplification is diodes instead of tubes. Would it be possible to find the correctly rated tubes and place those in spot of the diodes??

I've got the knowledge to do it, just wasn't sure if it was at all possible

Can I sig it? Can I? Can I? Can I??!!!!!

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#10
Quote by tubetime86
After some googling it looks like this is what all the pros do. Turns out you can just buy a $100 SS amp and add tubes and it becomes a plexi clone. Damn, I've been wasting my money all this time.

I also bought a Ford Escort and put a Lamborghini emblem on it, here's a pic:





But yeah TS, just find the diodes in your amp, remove them and wire a tube socket to them and you are good to go!
Don't listen to people on here they are just twats
#11
I would say that this is the most absurd thead on UG ever but didn't we have somebody else ask this exact question lot long ago?

No you can't. All you could reuse are a few switches, maybe some resistors and the cabinet. The chassis would probably be useless too. There are so many difference between a valve amp and a SS one I wouldn't know where to start. You could convert it in the same way that you could convert a motorcycle into a sedan. You may be able to use the bulbs in the tail light and the fuel in the tank but that's about it.
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#12
Triodes are the tube "equivalent" of transistors (more specifically FETs). No this won't work, but if you find a schematic that uses similar parts (transformers etc.) you can "mechanibalise" your amp, probably not a good idea if you don't have another amp.

TBH, you should just sell your SS and get a small tube amp (5W or less). If you gig you can mic it up.

EDIT: Tubes are a little fussy when it comes to components. It is easier the other way round, but even then you're not doing it properly...
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Quote by Emperor's Child
Triodes are the tube "equivalent" of transistors (more specifically FETs). No this won't work, but if you find a schematic that uses similar parts (transformers etc.) you can "mechanibalise" your amp, probably not a good idea if you don't have another amp.

TBH, you should just sell your SS and get a small tube amp (5W or less). If you gig you can mic it up.


transistor amps don't use output transformers and the PT wouldn't have a 6.3v port for tube heaters
#14
Quote by stykerwolf
transistor amps don't use output transformers and the PT wouldn't have a 6.3v port for tube heaters

Dude, he says he knows how to do it, so obviously he's more knowledgeable then you... So step off. Besides he doesn't want to make it a tube amp, he just wants to put tubes in it.
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Quote by tubetime86
Dude, he says he knows how to do it, so obviously he's more knowledgeable then you... So step off. Besides he doesn't want to make it a tube amp, he just wants to put tubes in it.


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#16
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#18
ok guys let's get srys; tubes are like transistors, they have a place where you put the signal, a place for the ground, and one for output (at the same time this one is what gets the voltages)
so take a 12ax7 tube, connect the plate to the top leg of the transistor, and the grid of the tube to the middle and the cathode to the ground, and BAM you have tewbs
#19
Quote by Cathbard
I would say that this is the most absurd thead on UG ever but didn't we have somebody else ask this exact question lot long ago?


Shut up you dickwad, this is a very good idea, not every one has enough money for a t00b amp

But seriously, why isn't this closed yet
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Quote by jlangholzj
is there any way to turn a solid state amp into a tuber? I mean, really in reality all the solid state used for amplification is diodes instead of tubes. Would it be possible to find the correctly rated tubes and place those in spot of the diodes??

is it a stereo amp?

#23
when i said that I have knowledge to do so, the intent was that digging into PCB's is nothing new to me.

The two circuits from each other are similar, but different. Generally speaking a tube amp will have the tubes in series with the actual driving force. They'll employ baisically a RC filter to adjust each tonal range you want and boost that range with the tube. this is also the reason why a tuber pushes ALOT more potential and current through the tubes, everything is in series (basicially). However with op-amps in a SS amplifier, they're pretty much removed from the driving cricuit. If you pull a schematic out and look at it, the triodes are in their own little world out to the side. After it runs through the sets of triodes that make up your tonal controlls it hooks back up with the driving cricuit. So instead of having the op-amp circuits in series with the pre-amps you've got them pretty much in parallel. This (in reality) makes a notch filter and it changes the charecteristics of your driven signal before it hits the output.

whoever made an educated statement in saying that you've have to gut it (It took me a while to cut through all the crap) and then use the components left to make use of it, thats baisically what the plan was. The cabinet and controlls are all there but a few custom PCB's would need to be added to get the desired sound. there's a few IC's that are a part of the tonal adjustment and other elements that (could) be left in there but if your going to be purist it wouldn't be a "true" tuber.

Sorry, i had an old amp laying around and i was tired of it doing nothing, after playing through my de'ville anything else kinda sounds hollow. I figured that its not worth much anyway...a deluxe 90 is cheap. Might have been fun to dig into it.

I'm also a little disapointed in the seemingly lack of educated responses and the abundance of two year olds that post on here.
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^With that much tech talk you should know what to do really, heck even i didn't know about the notch filter and i can build a blind amp right here right now.

Well you could always build an amp, and use the chassis of the current SS amp, that would be nice
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Quote by jlangholzj

I'm also a little disapointed in the seemingly lack of educated responses and the abundance of two year olds that post on here.


And Acousticmirror didn't even post yet

But seriously, sorry for the stupid answers, it's just that we get so much stupid threads like that from total n00bz, but you don't like one from your last post. Still, I don't think it's a good idea, there would be so much things to change that you should just take everything out of the chassis and build a new amp inside.
Also, this should go in GB&C
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milo ftw!


my fat cat is a celeb now...I completely forgot about that pic.

On topic: is it worth it? Why not just buy a tube amp? Out of all of them out there, I'm sure you can find one you like.
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#29
Quote by eyebanez333
my fat cat is a celeb now...I completely forgot about that pic.

On topic: is it worth it? Why not just buy a tube amp? Out of all of them out there, I'm sure you can find one you like.

i know, when i saw your pic i was like, fooooock that, i can use his own pet against him. rolfcopter.


TS - just build a nice kit of a real amp. use your skills, get a great tone, ????, procreate.
#30
Quote by jlangholzj
when i said that I have knowledge to do so, the intent was that digging into PCB's is nothing new to me. Gotcha

The two circuits from each other are similar, but different. Gotcha Generally speaking a tube amp will have the tubes in series with the actual driving force. Gotcha They'll employ baisically a RC filter to adjust each tonal range you want and boost that range with the tube. Gotcha this is also the reason why a tuber pushes ALOT more potential and current through the tubes, everything is in series (basicially). Gotcha However with op-amps in a SS amplifier, they're pretty much removed from the driving cricuit. Its cricket, not cricuit. If you pull a schematic out and look at it, the triodes are in their own little world out to the side. Gotcha After it runs through the sets of triodes that make up your tonal controlls it hooks back up with the driving cricuit. Gotcha So instead of having the op-amp circuits in series with the pre-amps you've got them pretty much in parallel. This (in reality) makes a notch filter and it changes the charecteristics of your driven signal before it hits the output. Gotcha

whoever made an educated statement in saying that you've have to gut it (It took me a while to cut through all the crap) and then use the components left to make use of it, thats baisically what the plan was. The cabinet and controlls are all there but a few custom PCB's would need to be added to get the desired sound. there's a few IC's that are a part of the tonal adjustment and other elements that (could) be left in there but if your going to be purist it wouldn't be a "true" tuber. Gotcha

Sorry, i had an old amp laying around and i was tired of it doing nothing, after playing through my de'ville anything else kinda sounds hollow. I figured that its not worth much anyway...a deluxe 90 is cheap. Might have been fun to dig into it.

I'm also a little disapointed in the seemingly lack of educated responses and the abundance of two year olds that post on here. Me too. Shame on them.



Like I said duct tape and a screwdriver and this b*tch is a tuber!
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#31
Quote by tubetime86
You're right that SS amps use diodes instead of tubes to amplify
In the same way they use resistors for amplification.
#32
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And Acousticmirror didn't even post yet

But seriously, sorry for the stupid answers, it's just that we get so much stupid threads like that from total n00bz, but you don't like one from your last post. Still, I don't think it's a good idea, there would be so much things to change that you should just take everything out of the chassis and build a new amp inside.
Also, this should go in GB&C



i posted a question regarding a speaker/tubes in there once and they told me to move it here!!
#34
Quote by jlangholzj
i posted a question regarding a speaker/tubes in there once and they told me to move it here!!

yea which is right.

but this is about building and customizing. gb&c would be a better place.

also, just consider a kit. likely there would be a better outcome.
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Quote by eyebanez333
my fat cat is a celeb now...I completely forgot about that pic.

On topic: is it worth it? Why not just buy a tube amp? Out of all of them out there, I'm sure you can find one you like.



Quote by jlangholzj
after playing through my de'ville anything else kinda sounds hollow.



already got one
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Quote by gregs1020
yea which is right.

but this is about building and customizing. gb&c would be a better place.

also, just consider a kit. likely there would be a better outcome.



gotcha...sorry I've been lurking for a while, its taking me a bit to figure out what to post where
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Quote by jlangholzj
gotcha...sorry I've been lurking for a while, its taking me a bit to figure out what to post where

I'm really not trying to be a smart ass here, so hopefully I can say this without coming off as a complete douche. Partial douche I can handle...

In this forum, guitar gear and accessories, we discuss gear and accessories related to guitar. In gear building and customizing we discuss the process of building and customizing gear related to guitar, and in electric guitar we discuss electric guitars... The rest of the forums might as well be the pit. Which brings me to the pit; the pit is where middle schoolers who want to look at porn but are scared to actually go to the sites go to fap.
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Unless its electronic drums.

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#40
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You need crystal lettuce and fragile harmonics.


Wrong! The crystal lettuce is what absorbs the epic toanz!! The fragile harmonics can't flourish without the crystal lettuce being subdued , this is why TS is biting off more than he can chew with this amp conversion, any lettuce left unchecked from the SS amp could ruin the sound.


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