Page 1 of 2
#1
http://blog.us.playstation.com/2010/07/15/help-defend-gaming-sign-the-gamer-petition/#more-32693

Read the article, sign the petition.

TL;DR: The supreme court is trying to decide whether or not video games should be judged differently than music, literature and movies. So.. think all out ban, or restriction like alcohol and tobacco.
Quote by RU Experienced? , bass-man9712


Quote by DecaPodge
I love you.
Last edited by HorizonShadow at Jul 15, 2010,
#3
I came into this thread thinking that US gamers get their ass handed to them by japs all the time and need to step it up. I'm dissapointed
Quote by Kyose
You sir are my God.

That game had the best synthesis system ever.


Quote by firebird103
I'm pretty sure you just won the thread. I can confirm everything you just said as well being a heavily qualified geek myself....

Congrats sir
#4
Yeah, US gamers need to step it up if they want to have any hopes of beating the Koreans.
#5
Lame
Quote by severed-metal
Come to think of it, my penis should've listened to more death metal.


Quote by Morphogenesis26
So my question is. Can Pre-Cum fluid pass through my underwear, my jeans, onto and through her jeans, through her underwear, and impregnate her?
#7
from what i understand video games are already restricted...hence the ratings on the box.

there's no possible way to enforce a restriction on video games any further. just like alcohol and tobacco, it can be bought by someone older and handed down to those restricted from buying it. that's how it works now anyway...what more can they possibly do? all out ban on video games? yea right. an entire generation of people combined with video gaming companies would have a shit fit.
Quote by Scutchington
I like this guy, he's UG's Greek, and he just told your ass in two paragraphs. And I once spent 5 minutes watching his avatar.


A Brain Malfunction

We'll Never Admit As Defeat
#8
They'll be more concerned when chopping someones arm off with a sword procures the right amount of seman to burst from its once bloody limbs.

If video games can keep graphic sex out of the fray, then no one is going to give a shit.
Most of the important things


in the world have been accomplished


by people who have kept on


trying when there seemed to be no hope at all
#9
I don't think I'll ever understand the whole sex and violence issue.

Sure, you can show decapitation and dismembership. Breasts? ARE YOU MAD! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
#11
Quote by flame843
i think you mean "we gamers need to step up"

i know, i know; i'm a grammar nazi, blah, blah. it certainly doesn't help your cause to perpetuate stereotypes


If you were such a grammar nazi you would have capitalized all of your I's, and put punctuation marks at the ends of your sentences.
#12
Quote by Seref
Yeah, US gamers need to step it up if they want to have any hopes of beating the Koreans.


/starcraft
Quote by Kyose
You sir are my God.

That game had the best synthesis system ever.


Quote by firebird103
I'm pretty sure you just won the thread. I can confirm everything you just said as well being a heavily qualified geek myself....

Congrats sir
#13
Gawd your thread title sounded nerdy,

i'd say artists more then gamers,

games are art, and should be protected by free speech, I imagine they'll throw it out before it gets very far into it.
#14
Quote by flame843
i think you mean "we gamers need to step up"

i know, i know; i'm a grammar nazi, blah, blah. it certainly doesn't help your cause to perpetuate stereotypes


How about Untied States gamers need to step up?
Quote by RU Experienced? , bass-man9712


Quote by DecaPodge
I love you.
#15
Quote by flame843
i think you mean "we gamers need to step up"

No, because it is happening in the United States.
______________________________________________________________________
Last edited by Gyroscope : Tomorrow at 01:00 PM.
#17
Quote by Waterboy799
from what i understand video games are already restricted...hence the ratings on the box.

But (if I'm reading this right), if this goes through, then videogames will lose their First Amendment rights, making them vulnerable to censorship to an extreme degree. Basically, they can turn Halo into Master Chief's Friendly Tea Party because some politician has a stick up his ass and the game company can do nothing about it.
#18
Typical sub-culture mass hysteria. Does anyone even know what the decision will REALLY mean? Besides just the usual "Der gonna take our vidyagames!"? Because I read that entire article and got nothing from it other than "Gaming as we know it is at stake". No real facts there.
I'll play it and tell you what it is later.
-Miles Davis
#19
You can release games as graphic and disgusting as you want them to be.

It's just no retail will sale them, they get the AO rating by the esrb, at least when I was 13 and into games that's how it was.
#20
Quote by flame843
i think you mean "we gamers need to step up"

i know, i know; i'm a grammar nazi, blah, blah. it certainly doesn't help your cause to perpetuate stereotypes


US?

YOU?

THEM?

WE?

AHHHHH
Most of the important things


in the world have been accomplished


by people who have kept on


trying when there seemed to be no hope at all
#22
I looked it up from a more impartial source and what it does is try to make it so you can't sell these games to minors probably the same way you can't sell alchohol and cigarettes to minors. It means when you go to gamestop you'll probably get carded or some shit. It's not banning violent games. The bigger issue is whether it will overturn precedents about minros having first amendment rights. I'm not sure how that applies since its not minors expressing themselves, its the game companies. Whatever, if you're a minor you're not a full citizen yet. Get over it or get emancipated.
#23
Quote by JackalUK
I don't think I'll ever understand the whole sex and violence issue.

Sure, you can show decapitation and dismembership. Breasts? ARE YOU MAD! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

It's because sex is an everyday thing that would be spoiled if it were around everywhere. Could you imagine a toddler thinking his mom's boobs are sexy?

Of course gore is a bad thing, but that doesn't happen on a day-to-day basis. It's really just fantasy.

Also, I couldn't care less about video games being censored. Censorship is wrong, but if people actually thought about what they were making and if all of the excess gore and sex was neccissary, then censorship would not be needed. Sometimes it can be seen in an artistic way, but we shouldn't be desensitized to these things.
Quote by SlackerBabbath

I also have hairy butt cheeks, I once shaved a letter 'W' on each cheek, so that when I bent over it spelled WoW.

warning, some of the contents of this post may not necessarily be completely true.
#24
Quote by boreamor
Meh in Britain we're going to get games rated by PEGI. And they're alright. America is full of paranoid idiots.


We have plenty of paranoid idiots, but the poor Americans have it a whole lot worse. Don't even get me started on the poor Australians.

|_|0|_|
|_|_|0|
|0|0|0|
▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄▀▄
#25
What the fuck.

What. The fuck.
~don't finkdinkle when ur supposed to be dimpdickin~
#26
I hate the American government. Why don't the North Koreans just nuke D.C. already and rid our country of all its idiots?


Maybe I'm overreacting a tad bit
But this really is ridiculous, even for our moronic politicians.
#27
I'll sign, but I don't see a point. We already have the ERSB rating things, and I don't see how they can crackdown on me handing mom the money for an M rated game, her buying it and then handing it to me. What will they do, have police raids if teens are suspected of playing Gears of War or something? They could outright ban violent video games, but they aren't that stupid. There are morons in our government, but they're morons who listen to the best paying lobbyist. Activision can pay them more than the Westboro Baptist Church can, I can guarantee you that.
#28
They will just sit on live and wait for the pre-pubescent girly voice of some child then raid his house.
#29
Quote by cornmancer
I'll sign, but I don't see a point. We already have the ERSB rating things, and I don't see how they can crackdown on me handing mom the money for an M rated game, her buying it and then handing it to me. What will they do, have police raids if teens are suspected of playing Gears of War or something? They could outright ban violent video games, but they aren't that stupid. There are morons in our government, but they're morons who listen to the best paying lobbyist. Activision can pay them more than the Westboro Baptist Church can, I can guarantee you that.


What people need to realise is that it's not the Governments fault for underage kids playing those games. If the mother buys it, she's responsible. Not the government. If they kid acquired it illegally, then it's their fault. Again, not the Government. We need it classified, not regulated.
#30
I'm pretty sure it will flop.
______________________________________________________________________
Last edited by Gyroscope : Tomorrow at 01:00 PM.
#31
So, like everything else, if you go through the ESA site, its blowing things way out of proportion. Essentially, California passed a law similar to the law in 2005 that fines stores for selling M-Rated games to kids. The ESA countered the law, its going under review. Nothing huge to think about.

As someone who works electronics at a mass retailer (Target), we card everyone no matter what for M-Rated games. We just don't want to deal with the "WHY THE HELL DID YOU SELL MY PRECIOUS SON TIMMY GOD OF WAR 3? HES ONLY 10!?!?!?!?" shit that comes from overprotective parents. Pretty much every store in my area is the same way (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Fred Meyers, Gamestop, Ect.) just because every parents gets pissed off when little Timmy comes home with Modern Warefare 2 and is gunning down a russian airport.
Derpy Derp Derp Herp Derp
#32
Quote by lockwolf
So, like everything else, if you go through the ESA site, its blowing things way out of proportion. Essentially, California passed a law similar to the law in 2005 that fines stores for selling M-Rated games to kids. The ESA countered the law, its going under review. Nothing huge to think about.

As someone who works electronics at a mass retailer (Target), we card everyone no matter what for M-Rated games. We just don't want to deal with the "WHY THE HELL DID YOU SELL MY PRECIOUS SON TIMMY GOD OF WAR 3? HES ONLY 10!?!?!?!?" shit that comes from overprotective parents. Pretty much every store in my area is the same way (Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Fred Meyers, Gamestop, Ect.) just because every parents gets pissed off when little Timmy comes home with Modern Warefare 2 and is gunning down a russian airport.


In Britain all stores can get fined for selling kids games underage. £500 I think.
#33
I'm not worried freedom of speech here in America is going to help protect it. USA will always be the country with the least amount of restrictions like this.
#34
Quote by needler420
I'm not worried freedom of speech here in America is going to help protect it. USA will always be the country with the least amount of restrictions like this.


We are far from the least limiting country. We have it good, but we're not the least limiting country ever. If we were the least limiting, people wouldn't have to go to court every week to argue free speech. Things like this never pass, except that patriot act bull shit, but the fact they're there proves we have a long way to go down acceptance road.
#35
Quote by JackalUK
They will just sit on live and wait for the pre-pubescent girly voice of some child then raid his house.

Quote by Kyose
You sir are my God.

That game had the best synthesis system ever.


Quote by firebird103
I'm pretty sure you just won the thread. I can confirm everything you just said as well being a heavily qualified geek myself....

Congrats sir
#36
Quote by boreamor
Meh in Britain we're going to get games rated by PEGI. And they're alright. America is full of paranoid idiots.


If I'm not mistaken, Britain still has a ban on depictions of female ejaculation, and other forms of pornography that some committee deems offensive. Plus you guys only recently got rid of your blasphemy laws.

I love it when Europeans say we have censorship issues in the states. You guys have it as far as economics and education go, but don't bring censorship into the argument.
#37
I hate to be the pessimist, but do you really think that an internet petition is honestly going to effect the Supreme Court?
THE FORUM UPDATE KILLED THE GRADIENT STAR

Baltimore Orioles: 2014 AL Eastern Division Champions, 2017: 73-78
Baltimore Ravens: 2012 World Champions, 2017: 2-0
2017 NFL Pick 'Em: 24-7
#38
Quote by necrosis1193
I hate to be the pessimist, but do you really think that an internet petition is honestly going to effect the Supreme Court?


I honestly can't see this getting far with them in the first place. The supreme court is probably the last place in the US gov that is untouched by all this partisan bullshit. When you're in the Supreme Court, there is no such thing as political parties, there is only the constitution. That's why even the most conservatively minded members of the Supreme Court say they have no intention of repealing Roe v. Wade.
#39
Quote by guylee
[Videogames, drugs, alcohol, violence, rocknroll] don't harm children. Over protective parents do.

list extended
Quote by ultimatedaver
We're just trying to help man, cause it doesn't seem like you can get any pizza.
#40
Quote by boreamor
Meh in Britain we're going to get games rated by PEGI. And they're alright. America is full of paranoid idiots.



Lots of you guys can't even play MANHUNT I'm 90 % sure its completely banned in Australia and the UK.

* New Zealand: The game was declared objectionable on December 11, 2003.[8][16] Possession is an offense.[17]
* Canada: Following a meeting in Toronto on December 22, 2003 between Bill Hastings, the Chief Censor of New Zealand, and officials from the Ontario Ministry of Consumer and Business Services, Manhunt became the first computer game in Ontario to be classified as a film and was restricted to adults on February 3, 2004.
* Australia: It was refused classification (and effectively banned) on September 28, 2004 by the Classification Review Board after having earlier received a classification allowing it to be purchased by those aged 15 years or older.[18]
* Germany: On July 19, 2004, the Amtsgericht Munich confiscated all versions of Manhunt for violation of § 131 StGB (representation of violence). The game, the court said, portrays the killing of humans as fun, and the more fun, the more violent the killing is. They also sensed a glorification of vigilantism, which they considered harmful per se.[19]

However, apart from Ontario, Manhunt had little or no controversy elsewhere in North America. The British Columbia Film Classification Office reviewed the game after the controversy in Ontario and believed it to be appropriately rated Mature by the ESRB and comparable to an 18A film rather than an R rated one.[20]

So who is the paranoid idiots? guns buddy guns
Last edited by needler420 at Jul 16, 2010,
Page 1 of 2