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The information age is as irreversible a change as the industrial revolution, and as much as the factory worker may have liked to return to simpler agrarian times, so, too, the modern cubicle worker may long for the days when work was productive, idealizing "better" times when one's work, no matter how repetitive, was at least directly involved in making something that someone would use.

We can bemoan the negatives of our current Age all we want, but we may as well get used to the times in which we live. One of the consequences, boon or bane, of our generation is the fact that music is essentially free.

I would say this is great! But then hasn't music always been free? Weren't the slave songs "free" before white culture recorded it, analyzed it, produced an endless stream of stars emulating it in the form of early Rock 'n Roll? It wasn't until the likes of Elvis Presley and other rock musicians played the style that it went Gold. Indeed, weren't the majority of originators of this most American of all musical styles dead broke?

Indeed. Most of them never made a dime.

So why is it such a crime for BitTorrents to be cornering the market on MP3's? If you had a place you could buy a free car versus spending thousands on a "real" car, wouldn't you go for the free one?

It comes down to this: morality alone is not a powerful enough force to "save" an industry. For a perfect example, see outsourcing. Even those whose jobs have been sent overseas, the cheaper, often superior products from overseas are often chosen over expensive American ones.

But this thread is not simply about BitTorrents, it's about music itself and its survival amidst the mire of the day. Despite the overwhelming commercialism of the 50's many artists, like Buddy Holly, for example, wrote timeless music that, Top 40 hit or not, still stands the test of time.

And despite the collapse of the metal industry in the 1990's due to the advent of Grunge, indeed some of the very best, most inspired metal CD's came out during that time. It was during the heyday of metal, around 1987 or so, that most of the really embarrassing albums showed up.

Music thrives in adversity. Like a lotus flower, it feeds on sh*t, blossoming in the most amazing ways despite every force acting to the contrary.

So I don't think music will die at all. Sure, some artists will suffer simply because "times, they are a'changin'," but hasn't it always been that way?

Musicians starve. They sleep in close quarters in dirty hotels, living on pennies not for the chance at millions or fame, but simply because music is alive.

And the fact that certain anonymous individuals may decide to download tunes via whatever portal is currently available (they keep inventing new ones every time the old ones are stopped) is not going to change that. I predict that music will probably flourish in this coming age, what with our world-wide nervous system and universal, international mind alive with ideas, collaboration and freedom.

So what if Metallica loses a few million? Go drink away the pain and then produce a horribly embarrassing movie about it!



Music will live on!
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reason being, you actually need money to survive these days. how obvious was that? :/

thats why people who struggled to the top have hissy fitswith these types of things, dealing with the shit and finally getting on top only to deal with theives? think about it.
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Wow, TS, what about a tl;dr?
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Wow, TS, what about a tl;dr?


TS is too busy torrenting to do so.
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I'm not sure that that was about anything
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reason being, you actually need money to survive these days. how obvious was that? :/

thats why people who struggled to the top have hissy fitswith these types of things, dealing with the shit and finally getting on top only to deal with theives? think about it.

I figure I shouldn't not be able to listen to music just cause I'm broke.

TS why don't you blog this cause no one really cares.
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I figure I shouldn't not be able to listen to music just cause I'm broke.


No, no you shouldn't.


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I do believe the only appropriate responce here is:

Cool blog bro.
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The information age is as irreversible a change as the industrial revolution, and as much as the factory worker may have liked to return to simpler agrarian times, so, too, the modern cubicle worker may long for the days when work was productive, idealizing "better" times when one's work, no matter how repetitive, was at least directly involved in making something that someone would use.

This annoyed me. I'm pretty sure factory workers quite enjoy not having to lift stupidly heavy equipment and have machines cut and process everything. Therefore, I stopped reading here. And for that reason, I'm out.
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The future of music? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PxLB70G-tRY&feature=related

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Other "threats" include the current lack of a definitive popular music movement aside from Top-40.

There are plenty of things going on in the underground/indie scenes, but that's always true. Right now we lack a "Grunge" type movement.

Labels are looking for the next Lady Ga Ga versus investing in the next Pink Floyd, ie short-lived money makers versus decades-long, dependable and evolving artists.

That is a problem, but not one we haven't had before.

And btw: excuse me for attempting to have an intelligent discussion that doesn't involve masturbation or mashing up your grandma's pain pills and smoking it on a joint.

If substance is sin, then call me Hitler. I'll be proud to bear it, simple-minded retards!!

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I believe the "indie" scene is slowly but surely rising to the surface. Eventually labels will probably take notice. They'll probably start with bands and artists that have sort of an indie-pop sound because the transition is easier, and then delve deeper into the indie scene until indie and mainstream are pretty much the same thing. Then we'll have another decade of good music without having to look much deeper beyond the mainstream, then the "new mainstream" will evolve once again into pop crap, and the cycle repeats. Music industry movements begin whenever something new is introduced. While indie isn't necessarily "new", it's a breath of fresh air from the crap on the radio, and I think some big label will notice at some point and cash in on it.
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thats why people who struggled to the top have hissy fitswith these types of things, dealing with the shit and finally getting on top only to deal with theives? think about it.

Struggled to the top?

Yeah, no. Being a pop sensation usually involves being an overnight hit, not a hardworking musician.

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Labels are looking for the next Lady Ga Ga versus investing in the next Pink Floyd, ie short-lived money makers versus decades-long, dependable and evolving artists.

If you think Lady Gaga is a short-lived moneymaker, then you clearly need to stop and rethink things. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, she knows what the hell she's doing.


If substance is sin, then call me Hitler. I'll be proud to bear it, simple-minded retards!!


Yeah, calling everyone retards always helps further your case in an arguement.


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I believe the "indie" scene is slowly but surely rising to the surface. Eventually labels will probably take notice. They'll probably start with bands and artists that have sort of an indie-pop sound because the transition is easier, and then delve deeper into the indie scene until indie and mainstream are pretty much the same thing.

Slowly? You mean I'm just imagining the likes of Artic Monkeys, Kings of Leon, and other such generic bands already being famous?
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Record companys make all the money off record sales pretty much. All the money has always been in concerts and stuff. Free downloads are good for music cuz it gets more ppl into these bands! nAnd Don't worry about pop music, it always dies, but rock will live forever. When it gets commercialized it turns into Nickelback, or anything on like Fuse or MTV. Same goes with metal. Remember Hair Metal? It was good sounding but it really lost the message of metal. As long as we keep our values and never sell out, Rock and Roll Never Die, cuz rock n roll, my friends, is not, noise pollution.
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Quote by Bubonic Chronic
Labels are looking for the next Lady Ga Ga versus investing in the next Pink Floyd, ie short-lived money makers versus decades-long, dependable and evolving artists.

What? You never know if a band is going to last for decades and put out increasingly-popular albums - the second album is infamous for being unpredictable.
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Record companys make all the money off record sales pretty much. All the money has always been in concerts and stuff. Free downloads are good for music cuz it gets more ppl into these bands! nAnd Don't worry about pop music, it always dies, but rock will live forever. When it gets commercialized it turns into Nickelback, or anything on like Fuse or MTV. Same goes with metal. Remember Hair Metal? It was good sounding but it really lost the message of metal. As long as we keep our values and never sell out, Rock and Roll Never Die, cuz rock n roll, my friends, is not, noise pollution.

I lol'd
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Quote by Bubonic Chronic
Other "threats" include the current lack of a definitive popular music movement aside from Top-40.

There are plenty of things going on in the underground/indie scenes, but that's always true. Right now we lack a "Grunge" type movement.

Labels are looking for the next Lady Ga Ga versus investing in the next Pink Floyd, ie short-lived money makers versus decades-long, dependable and evolving artists.

That is a problem, but not one we haven't had before.

And btw: excuse me for attempting to have an intelligent discussion that doesn't involve masturbation or mashing up your grandma's pain pills and smoking it on a joint.

If substance is sin, then call me Hitler. I'll be proud to bear it, simple-minded retards!!



I love the way you're acting like anything that's going on now is any different to things that have happened before.

Radio killed live music, TV killed Radio, Tapes killed TV, CDs killed Tapes, MP3s are killing CDs... panic about social and economic change always causes infinitely more trouble than change itself ever does.

I don't see why a lack of a sound that truly defines this era is a threat, popularity leads to imitators which leads to stagnation which hangs around like a bad smell until an innovator comes along and mixes everything up again. Having no defining sound right now just means we're not at the stagnation stage yet.

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Same goes with metal. Remember Hair Metal? It was good sounding but it really lost the message of metal.


So what, pray tell, is the "message of metal"?
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Quote by Bubonic Chronic
Other "threats" include the current lack of a definitive popular music movement aside from Top-40.

There are plenty of things going on in the underground/indie scenes, but that's always true. Right now we lack a "Grunge" type movement.

Surely diversity is a better business opportunity to more artists than hemogeny?

A single popular movement/genre gives advantage to people who can pull it off, but every other style suffers as business-led labels and promoters latch on to what's popular and disregard what isn't. And even for the bands who do well in the genre, if it's destined to be seceded by another major movement, then those bands don't have a very long shelf life.
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I think the more important question is, "Hair metal sounded good?"




This in turn brings to mind the question:

Steel Panther? REALLY?
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Record companys make all the money off record sales pretty much. All the money has always been in concerts and stuff. Free downloads are good for music cuz it gets more ppl into these bands! nAnd Don't worry about pop music, it always dies, but rock will live forever. When it gets commercialized it turns into Nickelback, or anything on like Fuse or MTV. Same goes with metal. Remember Hair Metal? It was good sounding but it really lost the message of metal. As long as we keep our values and never sell out, Rock and Roll Never Die, cuz rock n roll, my friends, is not, noise pollution.


What is this i dont even
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This in turn brings to mind the question:

Steel Panther? REALLY?


All their lyrics are basically "**** me baby, Ill **** you back, we can do drugs and get AIDS"
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tl;dr

Genre-wise, this electronica/dance thing is going to stay big for about another year, then stripped/acoustic stuff is going to make a comeback.

Industry-wise, they'll be fine. Don't believe every damned thing you read.
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I vote TS should do it...
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#35
I'm waiting for metalcore to start being played on the radio.
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You mean like Avenged Sevenfold, perchance?


I mean metalcore with breakdowns like The Devil Wears Prada. The way they're rollin' along right now, I get a strong feeling that their next EP might very well get some radio play
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I mean like pop and that stuff is catchy but it has no soul, or emotion. Hair Metal was all about the chicks and drugs. But Steel Panther rule! KillMadonna too then **** her in tghe butt
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I mean like pop and that stuff is catchy but it has no soul, or emotion. Hair Metal was all about the chicks and drugs. But Steel Panther rule! KillMadonna too then **** her in tghe butt

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