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A couple of weeks ago I did a post on this woman in Iran, who has been in prison for 5 years and is going to be stoned to death soon because she plead guilty to the crime of adultery. Today I found on youtube a lot of videos asking people to help and sign petitions to stop this...so I ask you guys to help too and hopefully put some preassure on the Iranian government (and hope it does work)

Here is the video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlcDv8hu1y8

Here are the sites where you can sign the petitions:
http://freesakineh.org/
http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/save-sakineh-mohammadi.html
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#3
Other cultures aren't compareable to our culture. They won't bother to hear what we think about them.
#5
They dont care,

they will just shoot/hang/poison/electricute her instead.

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What is this, like the third thread with someone asking to save her?

I didn't ask to save her. I just made one to raise awareness.
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#9
Barbaric cultures and twisted governments full of masochistic males who need a serious head check need to be allowed to do this kind of thing before the world rises up and puts a stop to it. The middle east for the most part is a backwards, medieval part of the world- so civilized, normal individuals usually express shock or horror at their primitive ways.

Put this stoning death up on national news when it happens if change needs to happen. A petition won't do shit- if anything, they'll hang her or chop her head off instead.
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Other cultures aren't compareable to our culture. They won't bother to hear what we think about them.

Culture is not an excuse for evil and destruction of civil liberties. Everyone has a brain in their head and no one ever is bound to do something because 'culture demands it' or some stupid shit like that.
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Culture is not an excuse for evil and destruction of civil liberties. Everyone has a brain in their head and no one ever is bound to do something because 'culture demands it' or some stupid shit like that.

I'm just saying, the people there seem to accept this kind of stupid punishments. If they accept it, there isn't much we can do about it.
#14
Not our place to tell other cultures/religions what to do. What is strange to us is normal to them.
#16
Guys, it's very simple.
The world is often a pretty f*cked up place, where shit that is obviously moraly wrong, like this, can happen to people. We have a choice, we can either try to change it through violence, which is unethical and only causes more violence, or we can try to change it in a peaceful manner, or we can ignore it and hope it goes away.

I'm not saying that signing a petition is going to change anything, it may, it may not, but it's just a simple signature, it's no hardship for anyone to give a signature, and it stands at least a chance of working... certainly more chance that an apathetic response of ignoring it and hoping it'll go away.

I've signed.
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I'm not saying that signing a petition is going to change anything, it may, it may not, but it's just a simple signature, it's no hardship for anyone to give a signature, and it stands at least a chance of working... certainly more chance that an apathetic response of ignoring it and hoping it'll go away.

I've signed.

+1

I did the same, though I'm not expecting anything to come of it it's no sweat off my back to sign a petition and hope this woman doesn't get executed.
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Guys, it's very simple.
The world is often a pretty f*cked up place, where shit that is obviously moraly wrong, like this, can happen to people. We have a choice, we can either try to change it through violence, which is unethical and only causes more violence, or we can try to change it in a peaceful manner, or we can ignore it and hope it goes away.

I'm not saying that signing a petition is going to change anything, it may, it may not, but it's just a simple signature, it's no hardship for anyone to give a signature, and it stands at least a chance of working... certainly more chance that an apathetic response of ignoring it and hoping it'll go away.

I've signed.



Exactly, as if you can't spend 2 seconds of your life on it because it probably won't make a difference
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Not our place to tell other cultures/religions what to do. What is strange to us is normal to them.

So if I were to start a new culture/religion that said it was OK to kill women who acted in a way that I didn't agree with, that'd be OK by you would it?
#20
No petition is going to do anything.

If the Iranian government agreed to stop if a petition got enough signatures then it'd be worth a shot, but they didn't. STFUGTFO.

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So if I were to start a new culture/religion that said it was OK to kill women who acted in a way that I didn't agree with, that'd be OK by you would it?

Missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter if it's not ok to other people. It's not YOUR culture. It's THEIR culture. A DIFFERENT culture.
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Missed the point entirely. It doesn't matter if it's not ok to other people. It's not YOUR culture. It's THEIR culture. A DIFFERENT culture.

As my hypothetical 'new' culture would be to 09phillt.

Look, no one is asking you to take a gun and fight these people for this woman's freedom, they are simply asking you to help in asking them politely to refrain from this barbaric act, is that really such a problem for you?
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#22
She was aware of their laws.

She broke their laws.

She is being punished according to their laws.

It sucks. But she saw this coming.
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#24
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She was aware of their laws.

She broke their laws.

She is being punished according to their laws.

It sucks. But she saw this coming.


She was accused of having an affair with someone after the death of her husband, she made a confession under the duress of being wipped and later recanted it. There is no evidence to say that she actualy broke any of their laws apart from rumour and a confession made while being tortured.
#25
It's not as if we're asking them to stop worshipping Allah, or to turn to Christianity, we're just asking them not to kill a woman for such a ridiculous reason. Culture shouldn't be an excuse to take away human rights.
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As my 'new' culture would be to 09phillt.

Look, no one is asking you to take a gun and fight these people for this woman's freedom, they are simply asking you to help in asking them politely to refrain from this barbaric act, is that really such a problem for you?


No, but it's just a pointless endeavor.

It's like telling you to go to the shops and not buy anything. A pointless waste of energy. Didn't the woman even kill her husband or something?
#27
Is clicking a button really such a waste of energy? I could understand if you had to drive somewhere to do it.
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She was accused of having an affair with someone after the death of her husband, she made a confession under the duress of being wipped and later recanted it. There is no evidence to say that she actualy broke any of their laws apart from rumour and a confession made while being tortured.

That's what I get for making uninformed statements.

But even if she had done it all. It's an entirely unjust law obviously.
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#29
Am I the only one who looks at this and wonders why this specific case is being given such massivev media attention. In a lot of the middle-east stoning is used as a punishment for crimes which we might not consider worthy of such brutality. However there is something incredibly suspicious that the case being given such massive publicity, at the moment is one in Iran. Considering the massive amount of human rights abuses that occur all over the world - in Saudi Arabia, China, lots of places considered to be our allies.

When you consider the fact that there is a massive agenda to pursue war in Iran then it becomes clear that the case is being publicied so massively not to 'save a poor helpless women' but instead to promote public support in the western world for aggression in Iran and if that happens thousands of poor helpless: men, women and children will die.

Obviously I think this sort of punishment is wrong. But I think you need to step back and take a look at the agenda behind the publicity.
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Am I the only one who looks at this and wonders why this specific case is being given such massivev media attention. In a lot of the middle-east stoning is used as a punishment for crimes which we might not consider worthy of such brutality. However there is something incredibly suspicious that the case being given such massive publicity, at the moment is one in Iran. Considering the massive amount of human rights abuses that occur all over the world - in Saudi Arabia, China, lots of places considered to be our allies.

When you consider the fact that there is a massive agenda to pursue war in Iran then it becomes clear that the case is being publicied so massively not to 'save a poor helpless women' but instead to promote public support in the western world for aggression in Iran and if that happens thousands of poor helpless: men, women and children will die.

Obviously I think this sort of punishment is wrong. But I think you need to step back and take a look at the agenda behind the publicity.

The "agenda" behind all the publicity is her son. Demonic I know.
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No, but it's just a pointless endeavor.

It's like telling you to go to the shops and not buy anything. A pointless waste of energy. Didn't the woman even kill her husband or something?

It may seem pointless, but surely it is better to speak out against inhumanity than having an apathetic response of silence because you're not sure if it will have an effect or not.

If you saw a woman being beaten by her husband in the street, wouldn't you at least say something, even if you think that she'll might deserve it, even if you think she would probably never leave him anyway?
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The "agenda" behind all the publicity is her son. Demonic I know.


Yeah, I'm sure lots of people are crying out against injusticies but not all of them are getting a voice in the mainstream media in the way this case is, are they? Sure her son is putting it out there, as well you might expect any son would, but his voice is being allowed to be heard much more prominently than has been allowed in a lot of similar cases. There are a lot of group who have for years been campaining again this kind of brutal punishment. But right now, when tensions between the West and Iran are quite high, we suddenly have a massive outcry against brutuality and specificially a case in Iran. Call me a cynic but I can't help but feel the powers that be arn't purely interested in this poor womans safety.
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#33
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Is clicking a button really such a waste of energy? I could understand if you had to drive somewhere to do it.

Precisely, it took me all of 10 seconds, and I can't honestly think of a better use of ten seconds of my life.
#34
Wasn't there a thread to this the other day?

And petitioning Iran is only a waste of time. THINK THESE THINGS THROUGH
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Yeah, I'm sure lots of people are crying out against injusticies but not all of them are getting a voice in the mainstream media in the way this case is, are they? Sure her son is putting it out there, as well you might expect any son would, but his voice is being allowed to be heard much more prominently than has been allowed in a lot of similar cases. There are a lot of group who have for years been campaining again this kind of brutal punishment. But right now, when tensions between the West and Iran are quite high, we suddenly have a massive outcry against brutuality and specificially a case in Iran. Call me a cynic but I can't help but feel the powers that be arn't purely interested in this poor womans safety.

Does it matter what reason anyone has for signing a petition, just so long as it results in a peaceful outcome?
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Yeah, I'm sure lots of people are crying out against injusticies but not all of them are getting a voice in the mainstream media in the way this case is, are they? Sure her son is putting it out there, as well you might expect any son would, but his voice is being allowed to be heard much more prominently than has been allowed in a lot of similar cases. There are a lot of group who have for years been campaining again this kind of brutal punishment. But right now, when tensions between the West and Iran are quite high, we suddenly have a massive outcry against brutuality and specificially a case in Iran. Call me a cynic but I can't help but feel the powers that be arn't purely interested in this poor womans safety.

You can't practically focus on every single case, so the media is making an example of this one to get a change in attitudes about this backwards punishment.
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#37
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Wasn't there a thread to this the other day?

And petitioning Iran is only a waste of time. THINK THESE THINGS THROUGH

Yes, I'm sure the consequences of spending 10 seconds signing a petition to cry out against violence and unfair laws will be disastrous.
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Does it matter what reason anyone has for signing a petition, just so long as it results in a peaceful outcome?


Obviously I'm not against the peaceful outcome as I have stated, I'll support groups working for humans rights and I'll go sign the petition now. However I do also feel it's important that people are aware of the potential reasoning behind the amount of publicity this individual case has recieved.

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You can't practically focus on every single case, so the media is making an example of this one to get a change in attitudes about this backwards punishment.


I understand that, but there are many cases like this, however the timing and location of this case's media exposure is suspicious. Do you think such attention would ever be drawn to a similar case occuring in Saudi-Arabia?
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#39
This isn't going to work. Best to just do something more useful instead, like playing videogames.
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Obviously I'm not against the peaceful outcome as I have stated, I'll support groups working for humans rights and I'll go sign the petition now. However I do also feel it's important that people are aware of the potential reasoning behind the amount of publicity this individual case has recieved.

I can respect that.
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