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In the trial, patients were offered two eight-hour psychotherapy sessions scheduled a few weeks apart, with 12 of them given a dose of ecstasy and eight a placebo.

Two months later, 10 of the 12 patients given ecstasy responded to the treatment, the researchers said.

In contrast, just two out of eight patients offered a placebo showed an improvement.
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Study leader and psychiatrist Dr Michael Mithoefer said before ecstasy or MDMA, as it is clinically known, was used recreationally, hundreds of psychiatrists and psychotherapists around the world gave it to boost therapy.

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Interesting stuff here, discuss.

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I think therapy is better, talk out your problems and experiences not hide from them. You take drugs to get away...not heal.

EDIT; Didn't read the full article...could be useful.
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I think therapy is better, talk out your problems and experiences not hide from them. You take drugs to get away...not heal.


That's a naive point of view. As a matter of fact I would be strained to think of something that assists the healing process more than drugs.
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inb4 "i have PTSD gimme ecstacy lololo"
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But drugs are for communists and non-believers. If these people had God to help them through then they'd be fine.
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I have PTSD. I took a load of E, and it went wrong - I haven't been able to take any pills since. Can I have some E to help get past it?

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TS: That's very interesting. I had no idea that ecstasy could have any clinical applications.

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I'm not surprised, MDMA was used for quite a while in therapy before it was made illegal.


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I think therapy is better, talk out your problems and experiences not hide from them. You take drugs to get away...not heal.

EDIT; Didn't read the full article...could be useful.

Drugs can help, LSD for example was used successfully in therapy for years by psychoanalysts before the hippies got it banned.
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I'm not surprised, MDMA was used for quite a while in therapy before it was made illegal.


Drugs can help, LSD for example was used successfully in therapy for years by psychoanalysts before the hippies got it banned.


O_O

No way? What was it used to treat?

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No way? What was it used to treat?

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What do you think ''Alexander Shulgin'' was out for all along ?
he wasen't out to make drugs for pleasure,Which just happened to be one of the side effects of many drugs. I think Lysergic acid could allso be a medicine for many people who have PTSD
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I'm not surprised, MDMA was used for quite a while in therapy before it was made illegal.


Drugs can help, LSD for example was used successfully in therapy for years by psychoanalysts before the hippies got it banned.


This.


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No way? What was it used to treat?

It was used to remove Defence mechanisms in order that the person could deal with the issues that they had been repressing/whatever, which is a big part of psychoanalysis (which comes from the Freudian tradition). The idea was that one would have a bad trip which the psychotherapist could guide one through, thereby facing and dealing with one's psychological issues. It was said to work, but there were obstacles to its widespread use because an LSD trip takes so long it was a very expensive way to conduct therapy. The company that synthesised it used to provide it for free to psychotherapists and researchers.

It was also used in the treatment of alcoholism with some success. IIRC the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous advocated its use but was told to shut up about it by other figures within AA.
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Worth a try, at any rate. PTSD really f*cks people up, and support is patchy at best.
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This is OOOOLD news. I saw a video on this in my psychology class about this last year and it dated back to the gulf war in the 90's.

Still though, I am not sold. Sure it may help them bring out feelings, but without proper professional help to coexist with that, I don't see it honestly helping much.
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It was used to remove Defence mechanisms in order that the person could deal with the issues that they had been repressing/whatever, which is a big part of psychoanalysis (which comes from the Freudian tradition). The idea was that one would have a bad trip which the psychotherapist could guide one through, thereby facing and dealing with one's psychological issues. It was said to work, but there were obstacles to its widespread use because an LSD trip takes so long it was a very expensive way to conduct therapy. The company that synthesised it used to provide it for free to psychotherapists and researchers.

It was also used in the treatment of alcoholism with some success. IIRC the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous advocated its use but was told to shut up about it by other figures within AA.


I can see how that would be very effective. If you take away the outer layers, and just lay bare all the issues, I'd think it would be much easier to treat, which I'm assuming is the same mindset they went through when they used it.

They really should allow the use of it in severe cases at least, if it helps, that would be amazing. And if I remember correctly, LSD is a non addictive drug correct? Unless it creates a psychological addiction due to abuse

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This is OOOOLD news. I saw a video on this in my psychology class about this last year and it dated back to the gulf war in the 90's.

Still though, I am not sold. Sure it may help them bring out feelings, but without proper professional help to coexist with that, I don't see it honestly helping much.

Did you even read the quoted summary? The drug(or the placebo) was administered as part of an 8-hour psychotherapy session.
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Did you even read the quoted summary? The drug(or the placebo) was administered as part of an 8-hour psychotherapy session.



I read it, and I was saying that unless they use it with that (like they are) then it wouldn't really work. The problem with the old methods they used in the video I saw was that it was largely unmonitored.
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I read it, and I was saying that unless they use it with that (like they are) then it wouldn't really work. The problem with the old methods they used in the video I saw was that it was largely unmonitored.

Yes, but you said you were 'not sold', when the study wasn't looking simply at the use of MDMA, but at the use of MDMA within a regulated, clinical setting.
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Yes, but you said you were 'not sold', when the study wasn't looking simply at the use of MDMA, but at the use of MDMA within a regulated, clinical setting.

I'm not sold either, for the same reasons the critic in the article isn't sold. PTSD is associated with drug dependence and repeated use of X isn't so good for you, and this needs a lot more corroboration in the literature.

I just think it's amusing how we completely outlaw stuff that has (or may have, in this case) actual good effects just because people abuse it. How is LSD, to use Ua$'s example, that different from Oxycodone or Percocet or Valium?

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From personal experience, I've used MDMA and LSD to help clear out a lot of emotional and mental baggage. Used in conjunction with therapy or counseling, it can undoubtedly be beneficial in a controlled environment.
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How is LSD, to use Ua$'s example, that different from Oxycodone or Percocet or Valium?

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I do think though that an issue here could be the lack of pharmacological training that many psychologists and psychoanalysts in particular suffer from. As such it's probably only going to be suitable for use in a small amount of settings. In most jurisdictions psychologists can't even prescribe anything anyway.
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I do think though that an issue here could be the lack of pharmacological training that many psychologists and psychoanalysts in particular suffer from. As such it's probably only going to be suitable for use in a small amount of settings. In most jurisdictions psychologists can't even prescribe anything anyway.

Similarly, psychiatrists suffer from a lack of much training in therapeutic approaches. I really don't understand why they don't combine the two approaches and be done with it. You raise a good point though.

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It was used to remove Defence mechanisms in order that the person could deal with the issues that they had been repressing/whatever, which is a big part of psychoanalysis (which comes from the Freudian tradition). The idea was that one would have a bad trip which the psychotherapist could guide one through, thereby facing and dealing with one's psychological issues. It was said to work, but there were obstacles to its widespread use because an LSD trip takes so long it was a very expensive way to conduct therapy. The company that synthesised it used to provide it for free to psychotherapists and researchers.

It was also used in the treatment of alcoholism with some success. IIRC the founder of Alcoholics Anonymous advocated its use but was told to shut up about it by other figures within AA.

The founder of AA also involved the use of a Ouija Board. Total whack job, that guy.
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Similarly, psychiatrists suffer from a lack of much training in therapeutic approaches. I really don't understand why they don't combine the two approaches and be done with it. You raise a good point though.

Yep. They do tend to combine them both in the context of mental health teams and such. I reckon the issue is the different conceptions of mental health, psychologists seeing it from a wide variety of viewpoints (particularly counsellors) and psychiatrists taking a purely biomedical view of the issue.
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Ecstacy may help with PTSD.........I've got a question.................what WON'T ecstacy help with?
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I'm not sold either, for the same reasons the critic in the article isn't sold. PTSD is associated with drug dependence and repeated use of X isn't so good for you, and this needs a lot more corroboration in the literature.

I just think it's amusing how we completely outlaw stuff that has (or may have, in this case) actual good effects just because people abuse it. How is LSD, to use Ua$'s example, that different from Oxycodone or Percocet or Valium?

I suppose it depends to a great extent on just how much/how often it's required to produce a benefit in the long term, and in what way the patient is monitored throughout the course of thier treatment.
Like I say, support for PTSD is terrible, and by and large, anything which benefits patients more is, I think, deserving of further investigation.
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I suppose it depends to a great extent on just how much/how often it's required to produce a benefit in the long term, and in what way the patient is monitored throughout the course of thier treatment.
Like I say, support for PTSD is terrible, and by and large, anything which benefits patients more is, I think, deserving of further investigation.

Absolutely, especially here in America, given the prevelancy among war vets.

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Still though, I am not sold. Sure it may help them bring out feelings, but without proper professional help to coexist with that, I don't see it honestly helping much.

You didn't read the full article, did you? It's intended for the patient to take the ecstasy for aid in therapy, conducted by a proper professional.
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Absolutely, especially here in America, given the prevelancy among war vets.

Also, firefighters, paramedics, police officers....
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I can see how that would be very effective. If you take away the outer layers, and just lay bare all the issues, I'd think it would be much easier to treat, which I'm assuming is the same mindset they went through when they used it.

They really should allow the use of it in severe cases at least, if it helps, that would be amazing. And if I remember correctly, LSD is a non addictive drug correct? Unless it creates a psychological addiction due to abuse


LSD is non addictive. It can be psychologically addicting, but not in the sense that you would do it everyday. LSD is also one of the safest (Physical) drugs someone can take. The dose is measured in the micrograms, and it doesn't take much to have the effect.

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TS: That's very interesting. I had no idea that ecstasy could have any clinical applications.


MDMA was initially used for psycotherapists to form bonds with their patients. They'd each take a bit and open up more.

When my best friend's dad died recently we managed to get hold of a shit load of good MDMA and sat up all night talking about everything. It really helped him and we went through the whole grieving process almost overnight. It may sound a little "too good to be true" but it truly is a f*cking marvellous drug if you don't rip the arse out of it.
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