#1
I love the sounds of the Mesa Mark IV and Mark V, but their prices are wayyy too high for me. Does anyone know any alternatives to getting a similiar tone as a Mark IV/V without having to pay 3000+ € to actually buy a real Mesa?

It's hard to say what my budget is at the moment, so feel free to throw all kinds of ideas (obviously it should be less than what I'd pay getting a Mark IV/V)
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#2
Used Mesa.

Since you're in Europe, why not go for something like an ENGL or a Diezel? They're far more affordable to you there.
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#5
I'll check out the Bugera at some point, any ENGL or Diezel models you'd suggest?
The Vypyr won't do, I've got a Cube 30X and that too has a rectifier modeled, I'm looking for something more than a modeling amp this time.
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#6
Bugera 333xl emulates a Mesa Dual Rectifier close to par.
Maybe check out the Peavey JSX too.
Not sure how much you'd be willing to pay.
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#7
There is no such thing as a Mesa tone on the cheaps. Randall Smith's patents pretty much ensures the only way you'd get a Mesa tone is if you buy a Mesa.
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#8
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Bugera 333xl emulates a Mesa Dual Rectifier close to par.
Maybe check out the Peavey JSX too.
Not sure how much you'd be willing to pay.


No, the 333XL is a JSX clone.

As for ENGL and Diezel, check out the ENGL Invader, Savage, Powerball II, Fireball and maybe the Blackmore, and for Diezel I'd go for the Herbert or Einstein.
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No, the 333XL is a JSX clone.

As for ENGL and Diezel, check out the ENGL Invader, Savage, Powerball II, Fireball and maybe the Blackmore, and for Diezel I'd go for the Herbert or Einstein.


I thought the 333XL was a XXX clone?
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That's the 333.
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#11
+1 to Diezel Herbert, those things are epic
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#12
What other high gain amps besides Recto have tube rectifiers to get that sag sound?
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#13
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What other high gain amps besides Recto have tube rectifiers to get that sag sound?


Not many. Most people who use Rectifiers for metal use it on the 'bold' setting (solid state rectifier) A tube rectifier really is not ideal for metal as it really slows the response of the amp down alot, and the Rectifier's absolutely humongous amount of bass coupled with a tube rectifier just makes it pretty not good for metal. Hard rock, etc. where sag is welcome, now... that's a bit different, but for chugga chugga stuff? Forget it.

You could probably play sludge/doom/stoner metal with the Recto on the tube rectifier setting, though.
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Not many. Most people who use Rectifiers for metal use it on the 'bold' setting (solid state rectifier) A tube rectifier really is not ideal for metal as it really slows the response of the amp down alot, and the Rectifier's absolutely humongous amount of bass coupled with a tube rectifier just makes it pretty not good for metal. Hard rock, etc. where sag is welcome, now... that's a bit different, but for chugga chugga stuff? Forget it.

You could probably play sludge/doom/stoner metal with the Recto on the tube rectifier setting, though.


you can easily play any metal with a Recto (modern/death/doom/sludge whatever), you need to eq it right and run something through the fx loop.
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#16
Bugera Magician. Mark IV/V clone for $699.
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#18
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you can easily play any metal with a Recto (modern/death/doom/sludge whatever), you need to eq it right and run something through the fx loop.

Yeah, on the 'bold' setting. He was talking about it with the tube rectifier switched on though.


TS, can you tell us what tones specifically you are looking for? The Marks are versatile... mentioning a couple of bands whose tones you like would help.
#19
Bugera Magician is what you may be talking about. It will be realsed in about 2 months or so. Definitely check it out.
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#20
There are no alternatives, you want a boogie sound you need a boogie amp.
#21
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huhhh. the vypyr bandwagon is starting to kill me....


vypyrs don't belong in this thread...

i remain on the bandwagon for threads liek "MG or Spider?", but not this one at all.

TS, what characteristics of boogie tone do you want to capture?
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#25
Well for one I love the lead tones Petrucci gets out of his V, but overall I like the really sharp/tight crunch.

Also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx_bg4HFr5M
I find this tone very pleasing, he's using a Mark IV.

Sorry for not being more specific about what exactly I like about them, hopefully this clarifies a little.
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#26
So you liek tight low end, do you scoop your mids?
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#27
No, I like having some mids.
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#28
Tried other American amps?

My 5150II has a decently tight low end, not as tight as the mark IV though unless I run an OD pedal with it in which case its closer to the tightness.

I personally think it sucks that the rest of the world has to pay like a billion dollars to get a mesa boogie(live in US).

TBH, the mark IV is the only mesa amp I'm considering looking at in the future. I'm interested at what the german/euro market offers in terms of amps, you should go and try them out.

As for a cheaper solution to mark IV/V tone.. you're better off looking at another amp.
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#29
If you can find one, the .50 Caliber + heads sound just like the Mark IVs lead channel and are 1/3 the price (at least in the US). If that's not an option, there's plenty of great high gain amps in the price range. Framus, Engl, Diezel, etc.
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