#1
Now I have narrowed my search for a guitar down to 3 guitars:

ESP/LTD M1000
Jackson Demmelition king v
Jackson RR5FR

They are all good but I can't try any of them because nowhere near me stocks them Which do you think is best? I play Thrash/Heavy metal. I am going to buy a new amp aswell, probably a Bugera 333xl 212 (even though I will only playing at the volume of a small gig, but it's the best one for the money I have heard.)

Any help I am thankful for!
#2
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#3
Get the ESP. And the Bugera 333XL is a good choice for your style, just get some better speakers put in.
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#4
i would get the jackson demmelition, but the m1000 is cheaper and has almost the same specifications
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#5
i vote Jackson Demmel + Bugera 6262 if your playing metal, its got more grit to it than the 333XL
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#6
I'd get the Jackson Demmelition. Jackson uses much better woods than Esp Ltd. Plus the Jackson is made in Japan, and is of similar quality to an Esp standard.

I'd get the Bugera 6262 over the 333xl. Just my opinion though.
#9
The Jackson RR5FR and M1000 aren't even close to being the same guitar. The M1000 has double active EMG 81's. The Jackson has the JB/Jazz combo... and are passives.

They're both made of alder, but one is $800 and the other is $1,100. Realistically, the Jackson will be a "better" guitar overall in terms of build and wood quality. Necks will be similar, the Jackson's seem to have a bit flatter necks than LTD's thin-U's.
#10
personally i would go for the rr,

but also you might want to consider that the demmelition is designed for drop tunings and comes set up in c#. just a thought
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#11
I have used the M1000 many many times (Guitarist in my band has one). One of the nicest guitars I have ever played. Get it
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#12
technically any of those guitar will do, since they all use alder wings to get the tight upper mid range attack, so loved in the trash tone. on another note the demmelition is not just designed for drop tuning it has the same scale length as all those guitars listed, but you will need to set it up to fit what ever tuning you play in, since it comes in C#
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#13
You should get the one that feels the best in your hands, since that's the most important part of choosing a guitar.

Also, Zeroxsk8er1 & Pat_s1t, your posts are completely unhelpful, and are one type of the things that are wrong with UG. That doesn't help TS whatsoever.
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#14
Jackson for sure man, especially in that price range. You'll be getting a better quality guitar.
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#15
Out of interest, if you're looking at a M1000, why not a Jackson SL3? Closer to the LTD in terms of design and feature set though the ESP is probably a better value. However, for around $1100 (price of a SL3/RR5FR) I would seriously consider a used USA Jackson/Charvel or Japanese ESP. You'll be getting a much higher quality guitar than anything new in that range. You might need to wait a little but you can still get a used one in that range.
#16
Well thanks for all the input. I can't try them out because I can't find anywhere near me that supply those guitars. I think the Bugera 6262 is best for like Heavy/death metal which I don't really want. Still trying to decide! They are all so good. Oh and just as an extra bit of information, I mostly play stuff by Metallica. Sometimes a bit of Iron maiden or something like that but the main sound I am looking for is a Metallica tone. That's why I don't really want a guitar without active pickups. I like the dual 81's on the M1000 and I love the shape and colour of that guitar. But I really like the look of the dmmelition and the randy rhoads guitar.
#17
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Out of interest, if you're looking at a M1000, why not a Jackson SL3? Closer to the LTD in terms of design and feature set though the ESP is probably a better value. However, for around $1100 (price of a SL3/RR5FR) I would seriously consider a used USA Jackson/Charvel or Japanese ESP. You'll be getting a much higher quality guitar than anything new in that range. You might need to wait a little but you can still get a used one in that range.


Ye I keep looking on ebay for used guitars but there don't seem to be many good ones going in the UK. I suppose I could buy one from America but i'm not sure. The SL3 looks quite good. Thanks for the help!
#18
Ye I will be setting the guitar up for E flat btw if I do buy the demmeltion
#19
Quote by barcelona_rov
i would get the jackson demmelition, but the m1000 is cheaper and has almost the same specifications


How do you like your MH-1000? I know it's a bit different to the M-1000 because it's mahogany and not alder body(?) but I would like to know what it feels like to play!
#20
Quote by Offworld92
You should get the one that feels the best in your hands, since that's the most important part of choosing a guitar.


I would but I can't fin anywhere in my area that have them in stock. I know somewhere that is a Jackson supplier but wouldn't want to make him order in a £900 guitar that I might not even buy! Otherwise yes I agree with your comment!
#21
These threads are so puzzling. How the hell can people decide between 3 different body shapes? Completely different guitars :3

1) You should test out which shape works for you best. No, there propably ain't precisely those models near you but I just bet there's nearby a music store with a RR, king V and LTD superstrat. Ignore the tone and see what feels most comfortable. Seated and standing.

If there's absolutely NO way possible to test locally, don't buy an expensive guitar. Cheaper ones are easier to sell. Later you might go for another shape or upgrade. With an expensive model you're not satisfied with you'll lose money on the aftermarket. THOMANN offers a full 30-day-refund (no postage fees) if you return an item in stock shape. If an item is slightly used, it only cuts some percents off the price. Test and see for yourself.

2) You should seek out internet ALL models which resemble that body shape. There are tons of guitar brands! There are guitars you didn't even know existed. Some might look better than those you listed. Get the most information you can.

3) Take into consideration: bridge type, neck profile...

4) Pickups you can change

5) Take some time deciding...
#22
Quote by UKMaster
I would but I can't fin anywhere in my area that have them in stock. I know somewhere that is a Jackson supplier but wouldn't want to make him order in a £900 guitar that I might not even buy! Otherwise yes I agree with your comment!


There will most likely be similar models.
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(For fans of Death/Groove/Prog Metal)

Ibanez RGA42E
Ibanez S420
LTD H-301
Ibanez RG520
Peavey Predator USA
Douglas Grendel 725
Line 6 Pod HD500X
#23
What the fail is happening in this thread? Thrash metal has been played with both passive pickups and actives so that shouldn't be a deciding factor. In fact passives are more versatile so it makes more sense to go with those.

Also MIJ Jackson has a good chance of being a bit better quality than a Korean LTD. Nothing drastic, but still noteworthy.

Their necks are comparable. If I recall, the Jackson is a bit thinner.
#24
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What the fail is happening in this thread? Thrash metal has been played with both passive pickups and actives so that shouldn't be a deciding factor. In fact passives are more versatile so it makes more sense to go with those.

Also MIJ Jackson has a good chance of being a bit better quality than a Korean LTD. Nothing drastic, but still noteworthy.

Their necks are comparable. If I recall, the Jackson is a bit thinner.


+1

although,the compound radius board kinda scares me off,you see thats something that needs special attention,and at 1000$ they rarely get that special attention..as a result they're fretboard are a hit or miss type of thingy

but apart from that,I'd choose a MIJ jackson over a ltd deluxe

also,please dont buy the demmelition,it's horrifically overpriced
#27
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also,please dont buy the demmelition,it's horrifically overpriced


+2
Forgot to mention that.
#28
M1000 all the way...........
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#29
thanks for the help. Ye he does have the beginner models of the rr and the strat style one. He has the ones that are like £300. I will go down and try em out.
#30
Quote by UKMaster
thanks for the help. Ye he does have the beginner models of the rr and the strat style one. He has the ones that are like £300. I will go down and try em out.

Oh please don't. It's a totally different guitar. The bottom line Jacksons really aren't good. They are neck heavy, have sharp fret edges, resonate badly and have crappy pickups. Please do not play that crap and base your choice on it.
I also vote to go second hand and buy a Jackson USA. Much better, same amount of money.

@ the Jackson fan that said MIJ Jacksons are on par with ESP standards: no they're not. Jackson CS = ESP CS > USA Jackson > ESP standard > High end MIJ Jackson > LTD deluxe > lower end Jackson pro series > LTD > Low end Jackson.

That is only regarding build quality and grade of woods used. Personal preferences may change this order.
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#31
I would'nt recommend the RR5FR, im assuming it has the same neck dimensions as the regular RR5 which i found to be too thick for thrash or really anything else fast, beautifully made guitar but more suited to maybe hard rock and that sort of thing. Also has the painted neck which personally im not a fan of but each ot thier own on that one i think. id probably go with the Demmel myself, or have you considered the KV5FR?
#32
If you're going to get a Jackson, you'll definitely want a V, or a soloist, since those will give you better upper neck access. I've got a Dinky DXMG and I absolutely love everything about it except the bolt on neck. So definitely get a neck thru if you get a Jackson.

I can't comment as to whether or not you should get the ESP, since I've never owned one, but I can say that my next guitar purchase will definitely be a Jackson.

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