#1
Hi guys,

I'm looking for a solid body guitar that has as much sustain and bassi-ness as I can find. This will be my drop-tune guitar! (chugga chugga chugga).

I'm looking for
24 frets
Actives

Any help would be appreciated! \m/'


EDIT: I'm in Australia, and my budget is around 2kish.

EDIT EDIT: Do you guys think it's overkill to have two amps for bedroom playing? One for blues/rock tones and one for metal? I'm liking the look of the Peavy 6505+ combo...
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#2
Schecter Blackjack ATX

EDIT: I have no clue how much 2k aus is in US
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#3
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Schecter Blackjack ATX


+1. Although if you really want to chug it might be worth checking out the baritone Hellraiser or some of Schecter’s 7 string models.
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If you want the chugga chugga then doing get actives actives.
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Ya know I was just lookin' around and saw this... what do you guys think?

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-EC1000-FR-Electric-Guitar?sku=527000

They're great guitars. Might not suit you so well with the 24 3/4" scale though. Changing tunings is a bitch with a FR too.
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They're great guitars. Might not suit you so well with the 24 3/4" scale though. Changing tunings is a bitch with a FR too.


well if he wants a more bassier low-end chug, then the 24 3/4" would better suit him. I myself just wouldnt go with the floyd rose model. But it should work well.
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#8
Aim for any guitar with a maple set neck and a mahogany body. Do not give in to the temptations of a maple neck-through guitar, because that will be very bright and as far from ''fat'' as can be. Try to stick to a maple neck as a mahogany neck can get a bit muddy with excessive down-tuning (unless you really know what you're doing with your amp's EQ section - which is also something you need to get good at if you're going to use active pickups).

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well if he wants a more bassier low-end chug, then the 24 3/4" would better suit him. I myself just wouldnt go with the floyd rose model. But it should work well.
The Floyd ''overrides'' the scale length in terms of tone; a 24.75" scale guitar with a Floyd will be noticably brighter and thinner-toned than a 28" guitar with a fixed bridge, let alone a standard 25.5" scale guitar.
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Wow I never knew about that Mr.Flibble, that's great advice! Is a shorter scale neck like the LTD a bad thing for drop-tuning?
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I wouldnt go past C on a 24 3/4 scale guitar unless you want to get some stupid heavy strings, a 7 string with some good pickups will give you all the chug you need
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#11
C7 Blackjack ATX! There about $1600-1700 last time i checked at billy hyde. Also try ordering from Rondo music mate?
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#12
I heard that Schecter have baseball bat necks. :|

I play an SG nowadays, my Epiphone G-400. Is there much diff. in thickness?

Also, this will be tuned to drop B usually.
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I heard that Schecter have baseball bat necks. :|

I play an SG nowadays, my Epiphone G-400. Is there much diff. in thickness?

Also, this will be tuned to drop B usually.

If you're gonna be tuning that low, you should be looking into baritones, not normal guitars.
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If you're gonna be tuning that low, you should be looking into baritones, not normal guitars.


FWIW, I picked up a used Schecter Blackjack EX baritone recently for $400 at GC, I'm sure better deals are out there. Neck through, mahogany, 26.5 and Seymour Duncan JBs and 59s. It seems like it's in the sweet spot for what the TS is looking for.

Edit: I just saw the TS's price range, and he can do much better. But the EX has an excellent play/price ratio nonetheless.
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Schecter Blackjack EX baritone
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Neck through, mahogany, 26.5.

26.5" scale isn't really baritone. But yeah, Schecter are good for those oddball scales.

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I heard that Schecter have baseball bat necks. :|

I play an SG nowadays, my Epiphone G-400. Is there much diff. in thickness?
Peopel who call Schecter necks thick have no idea what an average neck is, let alone a thick one. SSchecter necks are slimmer than average - it is thinner than your Epi's neck is. It's also flatter.

Also, this will be tuned to drop B usually.
Then you want at least 25.5" scale. At least. I know of a few people that use 24.75" scale guitars tuned to Drop B and it's not a pretty sound, plus you need to use insanely thick strings and very high action just to stop the buzzing.

I really would recommend you look at getting a baritone guitar or a 7-string guitar. My rule of thumb is if you're tuning lower than C (ither Drop or Standard), get a 7-string. Tuning down a step and a half + drop-tuning on a standard scale guitar isn't the best idea.
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26.5" scale isn't really baritone. But yeah, Schecter are good for those oddball scales.


Absolutely, but it's a nice tweener scale for those that might want to try some drop. I've mine tuned standard with only slightly heavy strings, and it plays well that way too. It's a versatile guitar, IMO.
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#17
So it should have a 26.5+ scale length? How large will the frets be then? I have average hands but I like to do some juicy chords that even on my SG are stretchy! So, so far for the list of possible baritones it's a Schecter... any other suggestions? Thanks for the advice dudes,
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If you're after a guitar under 2k which is unreal, at the moment B-music in gawler SA is having a pretty insane sale

http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12575

Lots of guitars there which would suit your style and your budget. Personally i play on a Michael Amott Ninja which has a maple neck through design, floyd and a 24 3/4" scale and it's by far one of the ballsiest, and clear guitars i've owned, period. You'd be surprised at the tones you can get out of some guitars with the right pickups and EQ.

EDIT: also, if you're after something that will handle Drop B very well try and grab the ESP Horizon NT-II, they're fantastic guitars and the entirety of the new Soilwork album was recorded on one so they can handle cleans and heavy tones easily, also it's a 25.5" scale so it'll work fine with a set of 10-52s on there, i've got one of my 25.5" guitars tuned to Drop B at the moment with some D'Addarios and it holds tune fine and has a nice tension to it.
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So it should have a 26.5+ scale length? How large will the frets be then? I have average hands but I like to do some juicy chords that even on my SG are stretchy! So, so far for the list of possible baritones it's a Schecter... any other suggestions? Thanks for the advice dudes,
IF you're finding yourself stretching on an SG which is 24.75" scale, I don't think baritone is for you.

Look into seven strings. Their standard tuning is B Standard so it will have the same range as a 6-string tuned to Drop B, only it will play like a regular guitar rather than a drop-tuned one (though some people do drop-tune 7-strings to Drop A). 7 strings work fine with a standard scale length of 25.5" so it won't be a problem for your chording and you'll still get that low B when you need it.
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7 strings work fine with a standard scale length of 25.5" so it won't be a problem for your chording and you'll still get that low B when you need it.


i used to own an rg7321 which has a 25.5" scale - i find that scale results in a very slinky feel for sevens, and i think it contributed to the muddy tone it produced (pickups were crap too). that guitar was also cursed with tuning problems - it's personal preference though i guess, maybe i just got a bad egg.
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If you're after a guitar under 2k which is unreal, at the moment B-music in gawler SA is having a pretty insane sale

http://www.guitarsatbmusic.com.au/forum/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=12575

Lots of guitars there which would suit your style and your budget. Personally i play on a Michael Amott Ninja which has a maple neck through design, floyd and a 24 3/4" scale and it's by far one of the ballsiest, and clear guitars i've owned, period. You'd be surprised at the tones you can get out of some guitars with the right pickups and EQ.

EDIT: also, if you're after something that will handle Drop B very well try and grab the ESP Horizon NT-II, they're fantastic guitars and the entirety of the new Soilwork album was recorded on one so they can handle cleans and heavy tones easily, also it's a 25.5" scale so it'll work fine with a set of 10-52s on there, i've got one of my 25.5" guitars tuned to Drop B at the moment with some D'Addarios and it holds tune fine and has a nice tension to it.



Dude are you in SA too?
I'd love toget down to B music... my teacher always raves about it, but i'm about an hour and a half/ 2 hour drive from there.

@Mr. Flibble, It sucks where I live, 7 stringers are über expensive. I'll have a look at a schecter I guess.
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Ya know I was just lookin' around and saw this... what do you guys think?

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-Deluxe-EC1000-FR-Electric-Guitar?sku=527000


Well, I can't say how the EC-1000 with the FR is. But I can vouch for the EC-1000 without FR. Got one meself, and loving it to death. Gives a real smooth but bassy tone, and it's a great quality guitar, never ever had any problems with it, stays in tune like a dream!
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