#5
Spot on except the LTD's are really good, unlike some Epiphones. The EC-1000 is wonderful, probably as good as a Gibson except with a thinner body and neck.
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yeah, somewhat, but the ltd's quality does surpass epiphone's as the number of the model goes up. then it would be morel like ltd 1000's versus epiphone elitist.
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#7
It's not quite right. More accurately, ESP's LTD is more like Fender's Squier.
The Epiphone brand is a name bought by Gibson, and is actually another company, just owned by Gibson.
LTD's are an actual brand under ESP. To clarify, they aren't another company, just another name.
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then it would be morel like ltd 1000's versus epiphone elitist.
Evidently you've never played an Epi Elitist.

The LTD Standards are basically on-par with Epiphones, PRS SEs, Mexican Fenders/some of the better Squiers, etc. The LTD Deluxe models (1000/1001s) occupy a bizarre limbo-world, only joined by the MIM Deluxe/Classic Player Fenders and Highway One guitars.

To get on par with an Epi Elitist, you really have to go up to ESP Standard models. Both Japanese-made, both using the highest quality materials for the sub-£1800 price point.
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#9
Squire? Maybe in terms of corporate parentage, but certainly not in terms of quality. If you ask me, Fender has really screwed up its branding--- Made in USA (then Standard, Highway One, etc...), MIM... some still made in Japan.... then there is the Squire line.... it is a mess.

Regardless of history, Epiphone is not treated like a separate company by Gibson. Epiphone products are listed along with Gibson at the gibson.com website.

The best analogy I have seen is the PRS/SE one....

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It's not quite right. More accurately, ESP's LTD is more like Fender's Squier.
The Epiphone brand is a name bought by Gibson, and is actually another company, just owned by Gibson.
LTD's are an actual brand under ESP. To clarify, they aren't another company, just another name.
#10
you are using the highest quality materials for the sub-£1800 price point.
#11
It's the same as several manufacturers Fender-Squire, Gibson-Epi etc

IMHO LTDs are no where near as good as ESPs. I have played a lot of LTDs and the top of the line LTD is not as good as the bottom end ESP. In all the years I have been playing I find Epis to be much better guitar all around and close to Gibsons tone and quality unlike the pairing between ESP and LTD. I would buy an Epi or Agile before I bought an LTD this is why I don't not have a single LTD in my collection of guitars I haven't found a single one that I like or was worth the money. I see a lot of people praising them and I can't see why.

If your going to by an ESP get an ESP don't go for an LTD they just are not the guitar that an ESP is, not even close!
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Squire? Maybe in terms of corporate parentage, but certainly not in terms of quality. If you ask me, Fender has really screwed up its branding--- Made in USA (then Standard, Highway One, etc...), MIM... some still made in Japan.... then there is the Squire line.... it is a mess.


I hear ya... When I first started playing, I was so bloody confused by all the different "levels" of a Fender.
#13
That is funny, because I feel the same way about Epiphone. I seriously wonder how much of it is psychological-- I had owned a Gibson SG-- and believed no Epiphone could be as good. To my mind, (Chinese) Epiphone solely exists to sell lower-end "copies" of the classic Gibson line (not saying it is actually true). Likewise, having owned an American Strat, I would never consider buying a Mexican one. If not for the "made in" decal, I probably couldn't tell the difference with some of the Mexican shop guitars. A lot of this is pure snobbery. In the right hands, any of these guitars could sound great.

As for "worth the money"-- I recently purchased a (Korean) LTD with EMGs made of mahogany with a neck-through design, nice binding, etc. It is a very safe bet if you like the EMG sound. For the money (here in Europe, where everything is twice as expensive as the US and there is not a massive second-hand market), I found it on sale and believe it to be a fantastic value. I might not have purchased it if I still lived in the US, since there are so many other options in the same price point (approximately $800 -1000 USD). But not everyone lives where there is a GC selling mid-range guitars at blow-out prices.

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It's the same as several manufacturers Fender-Squire, Gibson-Epi etc

IMHO LTDs are no where near as good as ESPs. I have played a lot of LTDs and the top of the line LTD is not as good as the bottom end ESP. In all the years I have been playing I find Epis to be much better guitar all around and close to Gibsons tone and quality unlike the pairing between ESP and LTD. I would buy an Epi or Agile before I bought an LTD this is why I don't not have a single LTD in my collection of guitars I haven't found a single one that I like or was worth the money. I see a lot of people praising them and I can't see why.

If your going to by an ESP get an ESP don't go for an LTD they just are not the guitar that an ESP is, not even close!