#1
ok so i can buy the bugera 2x12 for 200
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Bugera-212VBK-2x12-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=502587

or

but this: Siesmic empty 2x12 for 104

http://www.seismicaudiospeakers.com/2x12-Empty-Guitar-Speaker-Cabinet-212-Cab-p/sa-212empty.htm

and load it with these: 2 for 43 each

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jensen-MOD1235-35W-12-Replacement-Speaker?sku=665018

this would be playing in conjuntion with a bugera v22 with a eminence wizard loaded in it (not now....but there will be in the future). all 3 speakers running at once.
Last edited by ikey_ at Jul 27, 2010,
#3
well that doesnt really help the question. and are they really that bad? i mean....really. how bad can they be? as long as they arent built weakly.

is it like they will crumble when i take it out of the box?
#4
ya and the jensen mods aren't great speakers and the stock bugera speakers aren't great. what's the point you'll just have to upgrade again later and you'll lose money on the resale. get an avatar and get 2 g12h30s.
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#5
Construction has a LOT more to do with sound than you think, man. Shitty construction means shitty resonance. The more solid the cab, generally the stronger and better the sound. As well as more efficiency. Even Avatars are pretty mediocre, but they're a shitload better than either of those options there...
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#6
are there any differences side by side? how can i ever know why one cab is 200 and another is 700? i really have a hard time believing that besides speaker it matters that much.

vids or anything?
#7
ok i take it back. i just saw these:

i saw the inside. i am fully confident i can make something better in less than 12 hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkl2k4EMQYA

imo, this sounds bad, the line6 isnt helping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1QdDUrBvxE&feature=related

seeing this vid just makes me want to build my own. i could literally build something 2x better than this with little to no effort.

and....quite honestly i am impressed with bugera FOR THE MONEY. i know they are amazing but they cant be this bad....
#8
Quote by ikey_
ok i take it back. i just saw these:

i saw the inside. i am fully confident i can make something better in less than 12 hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkl2k4EMQYA

imo, this sounds bad, the line6 isnt helping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1QdDUrBvxE&feature=related

seeing this vid just makes me want to build my own. i could literally build something 2x better than this with little to no effort.

and....quite honestly i am impressed with bugera FOR THE MONEY. i know they are amazing but they cant be this bad....


it's two hundred bucks, it's made in china, it's got chinese speakers. Sure it's alright for the money but that begs to question of whether it's even worth spending that money as opposed to buying something else. The cheapest but not quite as bad as you would imagine strip club in town is still not somewhere I'd want to be.

If you have the tools you can for sure build something better then the bugera. Probably better then the Marshall cab as well. Probably better then like 90 percent of the cabs out there.

But, you need to factor in material costs, labor costs, speaker costs etc etc and decide if its worth it.
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#9
i have enough tools to build a guitar from scratch in my garage. its just a question of how much time and effort i will put into it.

also, i dont know about wiring it too well. last thing i would want is blowing my amp. however, if i can learn to rewire a guitar, im sure i can google it.

but people are telling me cabs must be super awesome aerospace quality and i cant do it etc. i started a thread on this and people told me not to make one pretty much.
#10
Quote by ikey_
ok i take it back. i just saw these:

i saw the inside. i am fully confident i can make something better in less than 12 hours.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkl2k4EMQYA

the **** is wrong with that guy's hair?


TBH, there's not much science in building a guitar cab. You build a box, and it'll most likely sound good.

Now...a bass cab. that takes some know-how to make it sound good.
#11
What do you play? If it's anything other than metal an open back cab is easier to make sound good IIRC. Just build a box that fits the speakers. There's a whole science behind building closed back cabs.
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#12
open back is all i want (and yeah, the frequency etc that bass puts out i would imagine would be 10x as much strain as a guitar cab)

yeah i got all this crap about it being perfect. i said i could build a sturdy box, and i mean sturdy. then people said it must have perfect demensions (that i could look up?) and then they said if i didnt use a dovetail etc it would be crap.

personally, im not sure why it matters as long as its sturdy. what method matters as long as the end result is the same. seal it wil with glue and sealer, use metal corners, bracing, etc. im not talking hammer and nails here i have drill presses, scroll saws, tables saws, bench grinders, planers, stuff i dont even know how to use.....

well this is making me want to go back and build one. that or buy the bugera (i own a v22). and quite honestly, for 350 i paid i dont think an amp can get more sturdy for a new tube amp. amp aside, its a nice box. viynl wrapped, very sturdy. ive been lugging it in cars, in and out of places. very sturdy.

let me put it it this way. from what i see in my v22, i would be fine paying 200 for the bugera cab.

can i make one better? sure. depends how much i want to sweat over it. but cut me a break. im in college. if not (and i had money) it would be a non issue cause i would have a cab with a 4 digit price range (and amp, and guitar, and pedals)
#13
Quote by mmolteratx
What do you play? If it's anything other than metal an open back cab is easier to make sound good IIRC. Just build a box that fits the speakers. There's a whole science behind building closed back cabs.

Is there? I was under the impression that phasing and all that nonsense wasn't a big deal for guitar cabs.
#14
It's not as important as in bass cabs but it's still there. Companies like Port City and Mills make their living off of it. There's a page on the Duncan Amp's site that goes into it a bit.
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#17
ill play anything from clean soft rock to some metal or heavy rock. no death metal or crazy stuff. i mean i like some system of a down riffs, but my guitar has been in drop c a handful of times.

mostly, im a classic/hard rock guy.
#19
open back. havent decided yet. its all just a thought. if i do, it will be sturdy like a rock though.