#1
Hey.

I'm currently working on a fantasy novel.

I just started and haven't done much more than create the world and it's inhabitants.

Now I've been doing my best to make the story and characters as original as possible, while avoiding unnecessary clichés.

Now I have one question and the answer will also be the answer whether I have to start again from scratch:

In my story there are many races, one of witch are the elves. Now we all know that elves are commonly used characters in many fantasy novels, and we know that these creatures come from Germanic and Norse mythology.

The thing is though that in my story, the elves resemble those created by Tolkien much more than those from mythology.

Is this a problem? I haven't adopted all of Tolkien's features for my elves (my elves can grow beards, they don't have the typical powers such as perfect vision and long life).

The main similarity between my elves and those from LOTR, is the fact that they are tall (as men) and attractive as opposed to those gnome like elves from mythology.

Does this make it seem unoriginal? Does it seem like I'm trying to rip off LOTR? Because theses elves have been used in many other novels by many other authors since Tolkien (like Eragon).

It is the only thing in my story that worries me right now, your opinions would be very helpful and much appreciated.
#4
Oh look a kid attempting to write a fantasy novel. Never seen that before.


Edit: And he used the word "epic"! This is sure to be good.
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#5
I remember when I tried to write an epic fantasy novel.


That was grade 5.

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Scratch witches and elfs, the shit is stale.

Make something like mecha werewolfs.
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Try writing a Dystopia novel where people genetically change themselves and their children to look like Elves, and where the non-Elvish are discriminated against. Actually... Mine!


Too late. Well it would be darn close to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca
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if you want an epic fantasy listen to By-Tor and the Snowdog, or both parts of Cygnus X-1 by Rush
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Try writing a Dystopia novel where people genetically change themselves and their children to look like Elves, and where the non-Elvish are discriminated against. Actually... Mine!

Tales of Symphonia?
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Quote by alaskan_ninja
Oh look a kid attempting to write a fantasy novel. Never seen that before.


Edit: And he used the word "epic"! This is sure to be good.


Epic Fantasy is the name of the genre.


And I'm not just some kid attempting to write one. It's something I've really wanted to do for a while, and given the spare tine on my hands, I decided to give it a go.

You could at least have given me an answer to the question.

And the whole story is very different fro Tolkien.

I just want to know if I should recreate different characters, or if I could reuse the elven race.
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Lol, TS is such a loser.

Why not just hang yourself now, Michael Hutchence?



Really tempted to report you man, jesus that was mean.

Don't worry about it TS, tbh Tolkien esque elves are the main now, just like all dwarves are scottish.

It would be more original to create your own races but it's hardly a must these days.
#17
do whatever you want. you dont need others opinion. if these are the characters that you invisioned the go for it.
and dont give up if you get stuck (this is coming from a fellow writer)
and it is a verrrryyy long process....
do what FEELS right. put your heart into it, and it will turn out great.
good luck Bud
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#18
If your worried about being compared to Tolkien then you haven't considered that this happens to all fantasy novels.
My advice would be to go back to the mythical origins of the elves and adapt these into your novel, and when questioned on it you can say how your dived into research and so forth...

What other characteristics have you given your elves, usually they just have long life, good looks, using a bow and arrow, some old mystical powers over the elements and the uncanny ability to appear lighter than air?
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#19
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Too late. Well it would be darn close to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gattaca


I knew the first response would be Gattaca... I could make it different enough though, because that one deals with a person 'as-is', who uses someone else's identity (Height, weight, appearance, blood, stool, urine). Just need to skip all that, and make a few minor changes. We're cool.

PS - I expected Brave New World too, come on guys... Get on the ball.
#20
How about the elves are on a bus, and if the bus goes less then 50 miles per hour it explodes.
#21
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one of witch are the elves.


I hope that was intended, because that was funny.

And you can think of your characters however the fuck you want, it's your fucking story. Other people can't judge you.

EDIT : V TheSecondRaid - teehee
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#22
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How about the elves are on a bus, and if the bus goes less then 50 miles per hour it explodes.

No, that's stupid.

How about the elves are on a cruise ship, but it's out of the captain's control and headed for an oil tanker?

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In my story there are many races, one of witch are the elves.


Was that a hidden pun?

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#24
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No, that's stupid.

How about the elves are on a cruise ship, but it's out of the captain's control and headed for an oil tanker?

Better yet, how about the elves are on a party boat. But later on, they realize it's a gay cruise ship.
#26
I say invent a new race, midgets, shorter then gnomes.
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Epic Fantasy is the name of the genre.


And I'm not just some kid attempting to write one. It's something I've really wanted to do for a while, and given the spare tine on my hands, I decided to give it a go.

You could at least have given me an answer to the question.

And the whole story is very different fro Tolkien.

I just want to know if I should recreate different characters, or if I could reuse the elven race.
Sorry, I realize that I came off as pretty dickish there. Seriously, though, every nerd and his kid brother has at one point or another had plans for some epic fantasy novel, and pretty much all of them never come to fruition, or if they do they suck balls.

Writing isn't easy, take it from me. I've been writing on my own for several years, and for a long time after I started everything, and I mean everything that I wrote completely blew. It's only in the last couple years that I've started to write things that I can be somewhat proud of, and those are pretty much all short stories. A novel takes far more planning, preparation, imagination, and writing skill, and I don't know if I'm up for it yet. If you really want to write a novel, practice a lot, improve your writing abilities as much as you can before you start.

Once again, let me say that writing is hard. You probably won't finish a novel if you start it now, and if you do there's a good chance that it will suck. I'm not trying to be mean here, because everyone who ever tried to write has all sorts of unfinished work, and all sorts of work that blows donkey dick.

Copying Tolkein is pretty much the easy way out, and that's why so many people do it. If you want to stand out (in addition to practicing writing a whole bunch), strip the "fantasy" genre down to its roots and build your own way up. Instead of using the formulaic creatures, make up your own (Tolkein basically invented orcs, after all), and make them different from what you've read. Like someone suggested before, read mythology and base your creatures off of myths rather than the LOTR formula.

I don't want to sound mean when I say that it probably won't turn out like you had hoped, but it's true. It's happened with almost everything I've ever written. When that happens, don't get discouraged, just write more. Practice. And don't feel like you have to adhere to any sort of genre. Use your imagination.


Edit: Or just go with the gay elf porno idea. It's up to you
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#29
Quote by M0lliP0Ps
do whatever you want. you dont need others opinion. if these are the characters that you invisioned the go for it.
and dont give up if you get stuck (this is coming from a fellow writer)
and it is a verrrryyy long process....
do what FEELS right. put your heart into it, and it will turn out great.
good luck Bud


Thanks man


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Sorry, I realize that I came off as pretty dickish there. Seriously, though, every nerd and his kid brother has at one point or another had plans for some epic fantasy novel, and pretty much all of them never come to fruition, or if they do they suck balls.

Writing isn't easy, take it from me. I've been writing on my own for several years, and for a long time after I started everything, and I mean everything that I wrote completely blew. It's only in the last couple years that I've started to write things that I can be somewhat proud of, and those are pretty much all short stories. A novel takes far more planning, preparation, imagination, and writing skill, and I don't know if I'm up for it yet. If you really want to write a novel, practice a lot, improve your writing abilities as much as you can before you start.

Once again, let me say that writing is hard. You probably won't finish a novel if you start it now, and if you do there's a good chance that it will suck. I'm not trying to be mean here, because everyone who ever tried to write has all sorts of unfinished work, and all sorts of work that blows donkey dick.

Copying Tolkein is pretty much the easy way out, and that's why so many people do it. If you want to stand out (in addition to practicing writing a whole bunch), strip the "fantasy" genre down to its roots and build your own way up. Instead of using the formulaic creatures, make up your own (Tolkein basically invented orcs, after all), and make them different from what you've read. Like someone suggested before, read mythology and base your creatures off of myths rather than the LOTR formula.

I don't want to sound mean when I say that it probably won't turn out like you had hoped, but it's true. It's happened with almost everything I've ever written. When that happens, don't get discouraged, just write more. Practice. And don't feel like you have to adhere to any sort of genre. Use your imagination.


Edit: Or just go with the gay elf porno idea. It's up to you


I am absolutely aware of the fact that writing is hard and that an author's work sucks at first, however, I think you have the wrong picture.

Everyone is acting as though I were an 11 year old fantasy geek who just finished watching the return of the king.

You are also acting as if I said that I want to write a best selling -soon to be box office hit- novel.

You were also suggesting that you believe that I have never written before.

That's simply not the case. I'm 18. Yes, I was at some point that young boy who wanted to be like Tolkien, but that was over 5 years ago.

I have written many stories, some of them bad but also some that were good.

I'm not writing in order to live off it. I write, because it allows me to relieve stress and poor my emotions into something I can later-on read to reminisce the old days.

I'm writing for fun, writing fantasy is like playing gods, there are no limits and I love that. I just want to write the best story I can, for my close friends and family to read and enjoy.

Now IF this book DOES somehow represent a breakthrough, well then hooray that's great. But that simply isn'T my goal...

That's not the caseí
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I'm not writing in order to live off it. I write, because it allows me to relieve stress and poor my emotions into something I can later-on read to reminisce the old days.


I'm asking this because I'm curious, not because I don't believe you or whatever, but how can you pour emotion in fantasy novels?
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Lol, TS is such a loser.

Why not just hang yourself now, Michael Hutchence?


I think he really was a deep-diver wanker.

But I think I missed the point on the Hutchence ref.

I'd say to restart from scratch and make them your own.
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I'm asking this because I'm curious, not because I don't believe you or whatever, but how can you pour emotion in fantasy novels?


I may have used the wrong phrase.

What I mean is that writing can ease anger, sadness (for example) and that the writing reflects the emotion of the author at the time he writes...
#34
Quote by thedefrockednun
In my story there are many races, one of witch are the elves.

And you're trying to write a novel?

But realy, I don't think it'll be a problem. I've seen so many other things with elves like that I tend to associate it with elves in general more often tha Tolkien, if that makes sense.
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