#1
I currently have a crate fxt120(not sure if thats the exact name) and I'm not satisfied, and to keep up with the other guitarist in my band, i was looking to buy a half stack to match his new marshall.

However, with all the different ones out there, I needed some help deciding whats good and whats not. I play metal, and i use a metal core pedal but i would like to find an amp that i can get a heavy tone out of without the pedal.

Although metal is the primary concern, i would like a relatively versatile amp, as well as a reasonably priced one.

I was looking at the peavey valveking, is it worth checking out?
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#2
First things first, what is your budget, and what kinds of metal do you play, and where are you located (state/closest major city)
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#3
The Valveking is solid for its price. It won't get you to uber-metal territory, but it should respond well enough to pedals that can help you get there. It is fairly versatile, but not in the sense that it has a boat-load of various independent tones.

What is your budget? You MIGHT be able to get a nicer amp on the used market.
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If there was such a thing as an affordable halfstack that didn't suck... then I would have one in my bedroom right now. *fapfapfapfap*

I guess it also depends on your definition of 'affordable'.

EDIT: Also this is assuming you're talking about a halfstack in the head-and-4x12 sense of the word. There are great 1x12 and 2x12 + tube head setups out there that are cheap.
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#5
Probably gonna wanna go used if you want something affordable.

Used JCA20 stacks go for about 350 USD with the matching 1x12 cab, but you'll probably want to get a different cab simply because the Eminence cab won't do the JCA20H justice.

So I think you could get the 20H for like 200-225, and maybe a nice 2x12 or 1x12 with celestions for a decent price.

There's also the Bugera, Blackheart, Peavey VK (probably with mods, of course).

And is your other guitarists new Marshall an MG?
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i would say either a bugera or jet city head. jet city can pump out a decent amount of gain, and it should take pedals well.

you can probably find a bugera head that will do metal. i don know wha kind of metal you are talking here. i would imagine some combination of bugera amp plus cab will be the most affordable TUBE amp for metal.
#7
How about a older peavey 5150? I heard they sound amazing and are very loud so you can compete with the other guitarist. I have a 120 watt crate combo too, so I know what your talking about...

Since we are talking about halfstacks... I went a guitar store and they had a 150 watt Ibanez halfstack for $500 to $600, but I noticed that this amp looks a lot smaller compared to marshall, peavey, and other halfstacks. Whats up with that?
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How about a older peavey 5150? I heard they sound amazing and are very loud so you can compete with the other guitarist. I have a 120 watt crate combo too, so I know what your talking about...

Since we are talking about halfstacks... I went a guitar store and they had a 150 watt Ibanez halfstack for $500 to $600, but I noticed that this amp looks a lot smaller compared to marshall, peavey, and other halfstacks. Whats up with that?

I think you read 15 watts as 150 watts (I'm actually pretty sure there is no power tube combination that allows for 150 watts. I may be wrong though)... that being said is this what you're talking about? http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-Tube-Screamer-Series-TSA15H-Amp-Head-and-TSA112C-1x12-Half-Stack?sku=423749
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MAJOREDIT: Or what ^ said

Because they don't need to be as big as those other stacks, also, might have been a cab with 4x10 speakers you were lookin at. Considerably reduces size thar.
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For the VK or 5150 i would not get a peavey cab. Weak speakers. Look on craigslist for a decent used cab
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I think you read 15 watts as 150 watts (I'm actually pretty sure there is no power tube combination that allows for 150 watts. I may be wrong though)... that being said is this what you're talking about? http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-Tube-Screamer-Series-TSA15H-Amp-Head-and-TSA112C-1x12-Half-Stack?sku=423749


http://www.guitarcenter.com/Ibanez-TBX150H-Guitar-Amp-Head-104481619-i1172859.gc
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#12
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He said "this amp looks a lot smaller compared to marshall, peavey, and other halfstacks". The TBX is a full size head designed to fit right on top of most 2x12 and 4x12 cabs. I don't think that's what he was talking about...
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If there was such a thing as an affordable halfstack that didn't suck... then I would have one in my bedroom right now. *fapfapfapfap*

I guess it also depends on your definition of 'affordable'.

EDIT: Also this is assuming you're talking about a halfstack in the head-and-4x12 sense of the word. There are great 1x12 and 2x12 + tube head setups out there that are cheap.


There is, it's called craigslist $350 Peavey Ultra 60 halfstack ftw
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He said "this amp looks a lot smaller compared to marshall, peavey, and other halfstacks". The TBX is a full size head designed to fit right on top of most 2x12 and 4x12 cabs. I don't think that's what he was talking about...


Oh, okay, I'm sorry. I didn't read that part, or I skipped over it or something.

Anyway TS, I play metalcore with my ValveKing. It has a good amount of gain, with the lead boost. I have my lead boost on all the time, and use my compressor when I boost for solos. And that's with the stock preamp tubes. If you put JJ's in there, I'm sure there'd be no problem.
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#15
Quote by MortifiedLizard
I think you read 15 watts as 150 watts (I'm actually pretty sure there is no power tube combination that allows for 150 watts. I may be wrong though)... that being said is this what you're talking about? http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Ibanez-Tube-Screamer-Series-TSA15H-Amp-Head-and-TSA112C-1x12-Half-Stack?sku=423749


Lawlz. There are plenty of power tubes that will give 150w. 4 6550s famously did it in one of SRV's Dumbles. And the TBX and matching cab are smaller than most half stacks as the cab is very undersized.
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Lawlz. There are plenty of power tubes that will give 150w. 4 6550s famously did it in one of SRV's Dumbles. And the TBX and matching cab are smaller than most half stacks as the cab is very undersized.

I stand corrected. Listen to this dude! ^
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bugera 62... series
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boath do metal very well for a reasonable price.
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#18
used b52 at-100 stack. theres one at my guitar center for under 700(yes the whole stack including one 412 matching cab) im sure its not the only one in the world.
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#20
yeah the ibanez tbx150 is the amp I'm talking about...
the dimensions for the ibanez tbx 150 (head)is -25 wide x 10.1 height x 10.1 in. for the cabinet-27.6"W x 29.8"H x 13.2"D

The dimensions for a peavey 6505 head is -26.5" W x 10.25" H x 11.875"
For a bugera cabinet it's 30"W x 30"H x 15"D

Not a huge difference, but you can tell when you compare them side to side.

Does anyone know why this is? I think I've seen some Crate halfstacks that look smaller too...
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Lawlz. There are plenty of power tubes that will give 150w. 4 6550s famously did it in one of SRV's Dumbles. And the TBX and matching cab are smaller than most half stacks as the cab is very undersized.

Let's not forget Jimmy Page and his infamous Marshall Major.
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Quote by MortifiedLizard
He said "this amp looks a lot smaller compared to marshall, peavey, and other halfstacks". The TBX is a full size head designed to fit right on top of most 2x12 and 4x12 cabs. I don't think that's what he was talking about...


So I was right after all. Hmph.

Anyway TS, I've heard that that amp (or any cheap half stack) doesn't sound very good. I've not tried it myself though, and the most important thing is whether or not you like it.

For the cost of getting a head and cab new though, you can get a much better deal used.

I support the opinion of looking for a used 5150.
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#23
Used 5150/6505 combo.

It'll blow the shit out of any cheap halfstack.
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Those are 200w though. And Ritchie Blackmore's modded ones put out like 400 something watts cranked up.

There's the Triple Rec putting out 150w as well for those of you who don't know about teh Dumblez.
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#25
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yeah the ibanez tbx150 is the amp I'm talking about...
the dimensions for the ibanez tbx 150 (head)is -25 wide x 10.1 height x 10.1 in. for the cabinet-27.6"W x 29.8"H x 13.2"D

The dimensions for a peavey 6505 head is -26.5" W x 10.25" H x 11.875"
For a bugera cabinet it's 30"W x 30"H x 15"D

Not a huge difference, but you can tell when you compare them side to side.

Does anyone know why this is? I think I've seen some Crate halfstacks that look smaller too...


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#26
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And is your other guitarists new Marshall an MG?


naw its a dsl 1000 or something, its pretty good but definetly not my thing and for 1300 i think i could do better, thats a bit out of my price range though haha. Used seems to be making more sense to me, how reliable is craigslist? I guess it all depends on the individual seller huh?
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naw its a dsl 1000 or something, its pretty good but definetly not my thing and for 1300 i think i could do better, thats a bit out of my price range though haha. Used seems to be making more sense to me, how reliable is craigslist? I guess it all depends on the individual seller huh?

Yeah, I'm thinking you could get a better stack than that at around 300 dollars less, if you go used.

CL is great, imo. You deal locally, so that you can meet the seller/buyer in person and check out the merchandise before buying, just gotta be willing to make the drive to go meet the person. The only real downside is you have to wait until someone with the piece of gear you want makes a post. The selection is limited but will get you great deals.

If CL doesn't pull through, try Amazon first then eBay. For whatever reason, Amazon sells the same thing but like 15-20% cheaper than GC or MF brand new. I try not to question it, as it makes life easier anywho
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Cheap gain in a head format? Your going to need to go solid state buddy.

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Crate GX or GT, there's a number of different variations on it, they're all the same circuit, pretty much. They're the less expensive sibling of the Ampeg SS/VH series. When SLM discontinued all of Ampeg's modern amps, they became Crates.

There's a number of Peaveys as well that might be of interest, both tube and SS. Peavey Ultra, VTM and Butchers, as well as XXL and Supreme.
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Different speakers require different volumes and it'd be nice to think that they are different for that reason but the real reason is probably more to do with manufacturing concerns of some type.
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#31
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Yeah, I'm thinking you could get a better stack than that at around 300 dollars less, if you go used.

CL is great, imo. You deal locally, so that you can meet the seller/buyer in person and check out the merchandise before buying, just gotta be willing to make the drive to go meet the person. The only real downside is you have to wait until someone with the piece of gear you want makes a post. The selection is limited but will get you great deals.

If CL doesn't pull through, try Amazon first then eBay. For whatever reason, Amazon sells the same thing but like 15-20% cheaper than GC or MF brand new. I try not to question it, as it makes life easier anywho


yea i dont really have a problem with used gear, i got my C1Hellraiser FR for 600 on ebay, nothing wrong with it at all I'll probably just go to guitar center either way to find out what im looking for. thanks for the help
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yea i dont really have a problem with used gear, i got my C1Hellraiser FR for 600 on ebay, nothing wrong with it at all I'll probably just go to guitar center either way to find out what im looking for. thanks for the help

if you find what you want exactly after a test run at GC, you could always hit up CL and see if that piece of gear is in an ad. Tod been my strategy several times.
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(I'm actually pretty sure there is no power tube combination that allows for 150 watts. I may be wrong though)


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#34
I saw a used mesa boogie stilleto head and matching cabinet in a local music store for about $1200... The guitar guy was ecstatic about mesa boogie, he had nothing bad to say about it. He highly recommended them.