#1
Right now I'm playing an epi SG, which is nice, but obviously you get what you pay for, and I didn't pay much.

I'd like to get a second guitar fairly soon. I play everything really, mostly classic metal and rock though.

What I'm looking for in my next guitar is-
-passive pickups, I just don't like the harshness of actives.
-a trem system, I don't know much about what's good and all that but FR seems to be the standard.
-obviously a fairly well-made instrument, in the 400-800 dollar price range.
-good upper fret access.

Also, how will a guitar like this handle a wide variety of tones? Like, from Jimi Hendrix to Led Zeppelin to Megadeth? And playing clean?


I'm looking around, and-

ESP seems to be reasonably priced and well made but all their mid- or high-end guitars have actives, only the low-end ones have passives.

Ibanez seems alright but I'm not sure about their trem system? The Edge II or whatever?


Also, I'd love an explorer type body, sadly they don't usually have a trem.
Last edited by Insaneguy75 at Aug 3, 2010,
#2
Schecter C-1/Solo-6 Custom would fit you well... but you want a trem.

I'd definitely suggest either of those, if you end up not wanting a trem. I can't think of too many guitars in that price range with a trem and passive pickups. Kramer... but they're under $400.

Then theres Ibanez... I just don't like those. I've never played an Ibanez RG that I liked.
Last edited by r0ckth3d34n at Aug 3, 2010,
#4
theres a cheaper version of it for about 699..it has bader pickups and not that good tremolo, but its good anyway
#5
The Ibanez S570 fits the bill. The ZR trem is the same that Chris Broderick from Megadeth uses, and the HSH pickup configuration can handle your variety of tones. Although, I'd use the leftover money to replace the pickups with ones of your choice, typically the standard Ibanez pickups don't sound great.
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#6
Quote by lordoftheflakes
Shecter synyster Gates Custom 1

http://www.thomann.de/gb/schecter_synyster_customavenger.htm

should fit everything you mentioned


Aside from the fact, you'll look like the biggest tool playing it.

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jackson-DKDMQ-Dinky-Quilt-Top-Electric-Guitar?sku=583323
EDIT: (I swear to god this wasn't discontinued when I posted it >_> )

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jackson-RR3-Rhoads-Electric-Guitar?sku=520328

http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Jackson-DK2-Dinky-Electric-Guitar?sku=520318

Aside from Jackson you can also look at Schecter I bet they make a guitar with the specs you want. and Ibanez RG also has everything you need.
Last edited by siverstorm at Aug 3, 2010,
#7
Quote by Insaneguy75
Right now I'm playing an epi SG, which is nice, but obviously you get what you pay for, and I didn't pay much.

I'd like to get a second guitar fairly soon. I play everything really, mostly classic metal and rock though.

What I'm looking for in my next guitar is-
-passive pickups, I just don't like the harshness of actives.
-a trem system, I don't know much about what's good and all that but FR seems to be the standard.
-obviously a fairly well-made instrument, in the 400-800 dollar price range.
-good upper fret access.

Also, how will a guitar like this handle a wide variety of tones? Like, from Jimi Hendrix to Led Zeppelin to Megadeth? And playing clean?


I'm looking around, and-

ESP seems to be reasonably priced and well made but all their mid- or high-end guitars have actives, only the low-end ones have passives.

Ibanez seems alright but I'm not sure about their trem system? The Edge II or whatever?


Also, I'd love an explorer type body, sadly they don't usually have a trem.


http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/Dean-Vendetta-4.0-Electric-Guitar-with-Floyd-Rose?sku=515819
This guitar is great for the price and if your not a metal guy just get the white finish one or something. Its only 700 new and neck thru build
#9
a fender stratocaster. HSS setup american used is your best bet by far.

Someone also suggested ibanez S series, which is also good.

I don't know if I'd go with a schecter for jimi hendrix or zepplin tones.
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#12
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EX401DX-Floyd-Rose-Electric-Guitar?sku=520113

If you want an explorer with a trem, think of it this way.

Buy guitar, buy a nice set of passive pickups:

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Seymour-Duncan-Hot-Rodded-Humbucker-Set-?sku=300030

or

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Seymour-Duncan-SH2N-Jazz-Model-Pickup?sku=300060
and
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Seymour-Duncan-SH5-Duncan-Custom-Guitar-Pickup?sku=300040

Then sell the EMGs on craiglist for around $150 toghether or $80-90 separatley and all you have to pay extra for is the work to put the passives in and the new pots.
#14
I own a Schecter and I love it but if I was working in the $400 to $800 range I'd say go for DBZ Cavallo:

http://dbzguitars.com/web/premier/cavallo-ab.html

...or... now my favorite guitar, the Barchetta:

http://dbzguitars.com/web/premier/barchetta.html

I'm so happy with mine and just love the tone, quality, and diversity in range. I play rock, blues, metal, and experimental stuff so it works for everything. I also use it for recording via my GearBox and it's great.
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#15
Quote by siverstorm
http://guitars.musiciansfriend.com/product/ESP-LTD-EX401DX-Floyd-Rose-Electric-Guitar?sku=520113

If you want an explorer with a trem, think of it this way.

Buy guitar, buy a nice set of passive pickups:

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Seymour-Duncan-Hot-Rodded-Humbucker-Set-?sku=300030

or

http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Seymour-Duncan-SH2N-Jazz-Model-Pickup?sku=300060
and
http://accessories.musiciansfriend.com/product/Seymour-Duncan-SH5-Duncan-Custom-Guitar-Pickup?sku=300040

Then sell the EMGs on craiglist for around $150 toghether or $80-90 separatley and all you have to pay extra for is the work to put the passives in and the new pots.


That's a good plan, thanks.

How is the Floyd Rose Special, though? As compared to the Original?

Also, if I wanted to just leave the EMG's on there for a while, can I expect to get a good tonal variety with them? Or are they mostly geared for metal?


To some other suggestions-
I hate the looks of Deans and BC Riches, especially the headstocks, ew.
Schecters seem popular but also lack a trem, don't they?
Last edited by Insaneguy75 at Aug 4, 2010,
#16
Quote by Insaneguy75
That's a good plan, thanks.

How is the Floyd Rose Special, though? As compared to the Original?

Also, if I wanted to just leave the EMG's on there for a while, can I expect to get a good tonal variety with them? Or are they mostly geared for metal?


To some other suggestions-
I hate the looks of Deans and BC Riches, especially the headstocks, ew.
Schecters seem popular but also lack a trem, don't they?


I'm pretty sure if you order them at the shop you can have everything you want done to them and then they call you when the guitar's ready. (As in put the new pups in and keep the EMGs and the pots and everything else.)

The EMGs should be alright in the beginning, but if you want to be more versatile then you should get the money to swap the pickups.

The Special isn't the greatest floyd, but it's good enough to get the job done and last quite a long time from what I've heard.

As for schecters, a LOT of them have floyds, like a LOT.
Hell every guitar in the $1700+ Schecter Japan line has a floyd or wilkinson.
#17
Quote by deth medal761
id go with a set neck schecter. the c1 classic is nice.



+1

bought one today.
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#18
I'm having trouble finding a good place to buy a Schecter from (I live in Canada, forgot to mention). There is one store that sells them but they have ridiculously high prices. ($1100, not including taxes, for a C-1 FR? No thanks.)
Last edited by Insaneguy75 at Aug 7, 2010,
#19
Quote by mailbox2112
The Ibanez S570 fits the bill. The ZR trem is the same that Chris Broderick from Megadeth uses, and the HSH pickup configuration can handle your variety of tones. Although, I'd use the leftover money to replace the pickups with ones of your choice, typically the standard Ibanez pickups don't sound great.

This!
#20
Quote by Insaneguy75
I'm having trouble finding a good place to buy a Schecter from (I live in Canada, forgot to mention). There is one store that sells them but they have ridiculously high prices. ($1100, not including taxes, for a C-1 FR? No thanks.)


Where in Canada? In Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal there are Steve's Music Stores that sell Schecters at the normal prices you can find them for at musiciansfriend.com
#21
Maybe a hss fender strat

Have a look at G&L as well
Last edited by So-Cal at Aug 7, 2010,
#22
Quote by siverstorm
Where in Canada? In Toronto, Ottawa, and Montreal there are Steve's Music Stores that sell Schecters at the normal prices you can find them for at musiciansfriend.com


I'm in Calgary, the music scene here isn't as big as I'd like.
#24
Ill Give you a deal on my RR3 Jackson with a Hardshell case and 81 85 Active emgz Solid black. If your Interested let me know.
#26
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#27
Quote by mailbox2112
The Ibanez S570 fits the bill. The ZR trem is the same that Chris Broderick from Megadeth uses, and the HSH pickup configuration can handle your variety of tones. Although, I'd use the leftover money to replace the pickups with ones of your choice, typically the standard Ibanez pickups don't sound great.


+2

An Ibanez S would most likely be good for you.

Do you like your amp? That has infinitely more to do with your tone than your guitar does. If you're dissatisfied with your current tone, that may be the problem.
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#29
Quote by Offworld92
+2

An Ibanez S would most likely be good for you.

Do you like your amp? That has infinitely more to do with your tone than your guitar does. If you're dissatisfied with your current tone, that may be the problem.


I've got a peavey vypyr 30, I like the tones I can get from it.


How's the trem on the S?
#30
It's a tiny bit over your price range, but I would seriously look at one of the new production "San Dimas" Charvels. They have good passive pickups and a decent trem (although a drop-in upgrade to an original Floyd rose wouldn't hurt). The upper fret access is OK - not great like some neck-throughs, but acceptable.

You could probably find one used in your price range.
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#31
Quote by Insaneguy75
I've got a peavey vypyr 30, I like the tones I can get from it.


How's the trem on the S?


Very good - it's one of the best trems you can get right now. There's no problems to worry about, if that's what you're concerned about. As solid as an OFR.
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#32
S seems to be the consensus, I'll stop by a store some time and check on the prices, and hopefully give one a try too.
#33
no dude. spending 800 in a guitar through a vypyr is no good. waste of money. i mean not totally, but your money is not being spent right. imo, your rig should cost 2x your guitar

ie- up to 100% amp cost and a bit more for FX costs (well really depending what you want/need, but of decent quality and if your gigging you need certain things)

i mean again this isnt a fixed ratio of course. but point being, your rig is your sound really, and playing a good guitar through a vypyr, well you might as well be playing a cheap guitar.

what about your guitar dont you like? is it the sound or is it structural (neck, body, balance, feel, etc?) if its sound, then a rig upgrade will be the best. and if you really need a floyd then fine. but everything about adjusting or changing your guitar becomes 10x harder. just keep that in mind. retuning, keeping it in tune, changing strings, etc. everything is way to hard. but if you really need to rail on your trem like dimebag then go ahead....
Last edited by ikey_ at Aug 18, 2010,
#34
It's not just sound, it's the fact that my guitar has a shoddy nut, a lot of fretwork needed, and some cosmetic issues.
#35
Dude if your in Calgary go to Axe Music
best store in the city easy
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#36
Axe music has wicked high prices, but I must admit it's a very nice store, good selection.

I think the majority of what they have is ESP, Ibanez and BC Rich, which works out pretty well, I can get some comparison done.
#37
Quote by mailbox2112
The Ibanez S570 fits the bill. The ZR trem is the same that Chris Broderick from Megadeth uses, and the HSH pickup configuration can handle your variety of tones. Although, I'd use the leftover money to replace the pickups with ones of your choice, typically the standard Ibanez pickups don't sound great.
I would prolly do this. I suggest some Seymour Duncan pickups. They have a wide range of pickups, and you could easily find one to match your tone. Then I'd just order the set you want off of musiciansfriend.
http://www.seymourduncan.com/products/electric/humbucker/


As a sidenote, TS, the Ibanez ZR tremolo system shouldn't be as touchy as the Floyd Rose systems or even the Edge IIIs.
However, as I say to everyone getting a locking nut system, don't tighten the locking nuts all the way down. Simply hand tighten them til they touch the top of the strings. This allows them to stay in tune better, while also allowing you to still use the tuning pegs. Doing that has never let me down. I rarely have tuning issues. Only time I do is when I put new strings on, and that's expected with every guitar for about a week or so.