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Yea i was wondering if i were to get sighned by any company which one whould i want? well the most important thing i want is the ability to make music how i like it.. so i was wondering if there is any major company (or minor idc as long as i dont have to sell out and they promote my music, but major perferably) that wouldnt try to make me a sell out
#3
Can somebody please explain what "selling out" is?

People abuse the term like a ginger, but they often seem to mistake it for "changing the sound so that you aren't releasing the same album every year".
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Any one that'll sign you, that's which one you sign with.
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The record company doesn't make you sell-out. You sell-out on your own.
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Can somebody please explain what "selling out" is?

People abuse the term like a ginger, but they often seem to mistake it for "changing the sound so that you aren't releasing the same album every year".


This is basically it.

You either change your sound, in which case you've sold out, or you keep it the same, in which case you've gone stagnant and unimaginative.

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Anyone seeking a major label probably isn't in a position to make such demands. Major labels don't get to be major labels without making guiding decisions regarding everything, including artistic direction.
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Can somebody please explain what "selling out" is?

People abuse the term like a ginger, but they often seem to mistake it for "changing the sound so that you aren't releasing the same album every year".


That you stop playing what you want to play for more money, You know playing Technical death metal isnt gonna get you groupies or money but playeing Heavy metal or hard rock has a bigger chance of it.
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As far as I know, Sony gives total freedom about the music. That's what I read from an interview with Ska-P who are signed to Sony.
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Can somebody please explain what "selling out" is?

People abuse the term like a ginger, but they often seem to mistake it for "changing the sound so that you aren't releasing the same album every year".

Selling out is essentially doing something you don't like to make money. For example: Most people here hate Justin Bieber's music, if they were offered a chance to play with him and said yes they would be selling out.
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This is basically it.

You either change your sound, in which case you've sold out, or you keep it the same, in which case you've gone stagnant and unimaginative.


I thought selling out was like advertising car insurance or butter. Not pointing any fingers here.
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That you stop playing what you want to play for more money, You know playing Technical death metal isnt gonna get you groupies or money but playeing Heavy metal or hard rock has a bigger chance of it.

I would sell out in a heartbeat for money and groupies.
#13
you can change your sound without selling out. it'd get a little boring if a band released 3 or 4 albums that all sounded the same. variation is good.
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Anyone seeking a major label probably isn't in a position to make such demands. Major labels don't get to be major labels without making guiding decisions regarding everything, including artistic direction.

This.


But also TS I am afraid it is very unlikely you will ever get anywhere with any non-independant labels, much less have a choice of labels.
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#15
I hate the term "selling out". Music etlists all over UG use this term too often. There's nothing wrong with making a single or two that's user friendly. For christ sakes it will one 1. Increase your fan base and 2. Make you more money because you have to make a living somehow.

Providing the user friendly tune isn't a complete genre flip, then there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.
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Selling out is essentially doing something you don't like to make money. For example: Most people here hate Justin Bieber's music, if they were offered a chance to play with him and said yes they would be selling out.


Why? Thats so stupid.

If you have an opportunity, then you should take it. Who cares if it isn't "BR00tals"? It could be great fun and a great experience.

And what if you want to do something different? Lets look at Ryan Adams for instance, he started as a country singer, he just released a Judas Priest styled speed metal album. Is that selling out?

People here claim to love music. If you love music so much then why are you all afraid to branch out a bit?
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Selling out is essentially doing something you don't like to make money. For example: Most people here hate Justin Bieber's music, if they were offered a chance to play with him and said yes they would be selling out.


Screw the reputation, with that kind of money I could afford to not give a shit what the musos think.
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#18
ITT people who know **** all about how the music business works.

Every major label wants to make money, they will try to make your band as commercial as possible regardless of if you like it or not. They will also try to suck as much of the money you make as musicians away from you. As is seen in the link below

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html


and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiitifPJkow
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ITT people who know **** all about how the music business works.

Every major label wants to make money, they will try to make your band as commercial as possible regardless of if you like it or not. They will also try to suck as much of the money you make as musicians away from you. As is seen in the link below

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html


and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiitifPJkow


So what label are you on?
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Can somebody please explain what "selling out" is?

People abuse the term like a ginger, but they often seem to mistake it for "changing the sound so that you aren't releasing the same album every year".

Radiohead is an example of a band that has changed their sound from album to album, but they haven't sold out, so that definition doesn't work. Selling out would be purposely changing your sound so that it fits something more mainstream, simply for wanting to make more money. Like Muse.
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^^ disney.
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#22
i agree with changing your sound so your not releasing the same stuff every album *achoo nickelback, but changing your sound because its *hip* or whatever i think your not a true musician, music comes from the heart and soul not from trying to make a couple extra bucks
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Five of the top seven biggest-selling bands of all time(Beatles helped pioneer the genre with their later releases, Queen is one of the monoliths of the genre's heyday, Led Zeppelin went from pepped-up blues-rock and proto-metal to avant garde ten-minute songs with mythical lyrics and extended instrumental sections, and Michael Jackson, probably the hardest sell of the five, had funk, soul, R&B, hard rock, and pop all on Thriller alone) were progressive in one way or another.

Most bands that're actually worthwhile change overtime, the concept that when you decide to use a P-90 instead of a telecaster single-coil and your bassist switches to a Ric, your sound is different and you're suddenly sellouts is ridiculous. That said, there are some acts that sell their souls for label support. Just be smart in how you go about it, get someone in the band versed in legal matters or a good manager, and you'll be fine.
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#24
If my band were approached with the oppurtunity to get a majpr label deal we'd hop on it unless it was Disney.

In my opinion most record companies won't try to influence your sound too much. They liked how you sounded and that's why they wanted to endorse you. The producer they hire for you may have some ideas...but atleast listen to the ideas. if it's something you won't bend on just tell him that. If it sound like a hald decent idea...try it out...these guys are paid to study music and know a thing or two. And breakout albums definatly don't have to be mainstrema even from major labels. Look at AX7.

They're endorsed by Universal (an international company) and thier breakout album was just straight up, in your face, metal.
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So what label are you on?

I'm not, i'm just repeating the advice that i've heard from people who'll know what they're talking about. I trust Albinis word far more than people who have a rose tinted vision of the music industry.
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Quote by Zoot Allures
ITT people who know **** all about how the music business works.

Every major label wants to make money, they will try to make your band as commercial as possible regardless of if you like it or not. They will also try to suck as much of the money you make as musicians away from you. As is seen in the link below

http://www.negativland.com/albini.html


and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiitifPJkow

Very true. It's a business. At the end of the day, they need to bring in that almighty dollar.

TC, if I were you, I'd worry about "selling out" when I actually have the opportunity to sell out.
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Why? Thats so stupid.

If you have an opportunity, then you should take it. Who cares if it isn't "BR00tals"? It could be great fun and a great experience.

And what if you want to do something different? Lets look at Ryan Adams for instance, he started as a country singer, he just released a Judas Priest styled speed metal album. Is that selling out?

People here claim to love music. If you love music so much then why are you all afraid to branch out a bit?



There is more of this anti-elitism elitism popping up recently and it's slightly annoying.

There are shit loads of people in the pit that are branching out, almost everyone proudly announces that they do something different.


Asking people why they don't do more music is exactly like asking people why they don't play teh brootals. Leave everyone to it tbh. :shrug.


OT: Selling out means getting better at making the sounds you want to. More people like it, then people cry because they're not cool anymore.

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Selling out is essentially doing something you don't like to make money.

Weird. That sounds like what 99% of people who have jobs do on a daily basis.
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OT: Selling out means getting better at making the sounds you want to. More people like it, then people cry because they're not cool anymore.

No, selling out is changing your sound to suit the record company instead of following your own musical path in order to become more commercial
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Selling out is essentially doing something you don't like to make money. For example: Most people here hate Justin Bieber's music, if they were offered a chance to play with him and said yes they would be selling out.

Eddie van Halen did the guitar for Beat It. Did he sell out?
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No, selling out is changing your sound to suit the record company instead of following your own musical path in order to become more commercial


Alright, fair enough.

I feel selling out is often mislabeled.

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#32
am i the only one who'd sell out for money..

lets face it... the music business it all about teh Benjamins...

while you're small time and local, do what you like... when a major says 'play these gay pop tunes and we'll give you x million dollars'

who honestly would go... 'um...... no'

if you say you would i call BS.
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Can somebody please explain what "selling out" is?

People abuse the term like a ginger, but they often seem to mistake it for "changing the sound so that you aren't releasing the same album every year".


JacobTheMe, I would just like to say that I dont think there is any post that you have made that I dont agree with. You are probably the smartest UGer around.

Anyways, TS, I think you need to re-think what you mean by sell-out.
#36
I'm ignoring the 'selling out' bit, because that doesn't really apply to me.

But if I got signed, I'd want Capitol, RCA, or Universal.
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am i the only one who'd sell out for money..

lets face it... the music business it all about teh Benjamins...

while you're small time and local, do what you like... when a major says 'play these gay pop tunes and we'll give you x million dollars'

who honestly would go... 'um...... no'

if you say you would i call BS.


I doubt any of the big record labels take small time local bands, I think they look for bands with a bit of experience and that they see potential in them to making some more main-stream music.
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Anyhow, if it was true what he said in his article, then rich musicians wouldn't exist, therefore I find it very hard to believe.


The rich ones are the exceptions to the general rule, the situations he described are most people's experience of the music industry.
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#39
Hang on guys, I found this on TS's profile.

"Birthday : February 24, 1996"

There is no way in hell that a 14 year old is going to get to choose a major label. Don't worry about "selling out" only you actually get the chance.
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Quote by JacobTheMe
Hang on guys, I found this on TS's profile.

"Birthday : February 24, 1996"

There is no way in hell that a 14 year old is going to get to choose a major label. Don't worry about "selling out" only you actually get the chance.


Justin Bieber?
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