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#1
First off, I searched and couldn't find anything.

Now, I'm just curious about what The Pit thinks of him. I've always thought of him as a hero, just he didn't have good ways of achieving his goals.

I know this thread will probably fail but...

What are The Pit's thoughts?
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#2
I don't care what his goals were, he's a murderer either way.

And also, lol at his picture being used for commercialism.
#4
i think he was a stalinist douchebag. most democratic socialists i know have pretty much disowned him.
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#5
He had a cool picture.
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#6
All I ever wonder about is whether the people who wear shirts with his face one them realise the irony. Or if they care at all. Or maybe do it on purpose? I don't know. Goddamn hipsters.
#7
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Iz he the guy from thoze t shirts?!


yeah. he's the lead singer of rage against the machine.
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#9
I don't care what his ideas were, he killed people so he is therefore a murderer. Fidel is worse though because he stabbed Che in the back (figuratively, and quite possibly literally).
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#11


I dunno man, he like, really showed those pigs whose boss. I mean, right, man?


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#12
I'd agree with you OP, but the whole marketability of his face onto t shirts is kind of hilariously hypocritical.
#14
He's a guy with beliefs that he fought to protect.

Just like anyone with enough conviction does.

And as far as him being a 'murderer,' far worse things than that go on daily in the governmental dealings of most countries. It's both a given and a moot point, as well as something not specific to him.
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yeah. he's the lead singer of rage against the machine.



"You have brains in your head,
You have feet in your shoes,
You can steer yourself,
any direction you choose,
You're on your own,
And you know what you know,
And YOU are the one who'll decide where to go."

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#19
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All I ever wonder about is whether the people who wear shirts with his face one them realise the irony. Or if they care at all. Or maybe do it on purpose? I don't know. Goddamn hipsters.


I originally came into this thread to post:

I want a shirt of him just for the irony. The only problem is that I am such a bloody hipster already.

Now I feel bad.
#20
Dunno about him, but way too many people wear his t-shirt.
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#21
He tryed to spread Cuban ways to Africa. Then he failed. Then he tried to take down Cuba by helping Fidel.
#22
Just a note due to the pronunciation of his name wouldn't it be spelt Ché with an accent or am I mixing languages or something
#23
He is massively overated mainly by middle class students who think hes a hero. He absolutely failed in the Congo so he was no genius
#24
His name wasn't Che it was Ernesto. Che was a nickname.

His story is also heavily distorted in the US and Canada.
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#25
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Just a note due to the pronunciation of his name wouldn't it be spelt Ché with an accent or am I mixing languages or something

I guess but most of us use English keyboards that don't have accents on them.
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#26
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I originally came into this thread to post:

I want a shirt of him just for the irony. The only problem is that I am such a bloody hipster already.

Now I feel bad.

It's cool, you can be a hipster ironically.
#28
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He was a racist and homophobic bastard.


Was he?

I am really unsure how much I know about this guy is just propaganda. I also don't much approve of the whole poster-boy for socialism thing, because most of his 'fans' paid like £30 for their branded t-shirts
#29
He was an improvement on Batista.
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#31
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He was a racist and homophobic bastard.

He held these views back before the Motorcycle Diaries days when he still held middle-class views. It's pointless hating on him for something he said when he was young and ignorant.
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#33
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I guess but most of us use English keyboards that don't have accents on them.


Alt Gr + e = é

I have an english keyboard.
#35
I think that, at least in the origin of his mentality, he wanted a better life for himself and his family and to an extent, his country men. However, he was ultimately a murderer, and despite the intention of his actions, his actions were not something that should be glorified nor should they be a source of inspiration. Nelson Mandella, Ghandi, MLK, those are the men that didn't use violence and still managed to revolutionize their nation and the world itself.

However, for the sake of argument I suppose one could state that the actions of the pacifists would not have been possible with out those who used violence. Such as Malcom X, Che Guevara, etc.

But, in my opinion, Che was a man who should not be idolized or glorified. He should be thought of as a murderer and an extremist.

Not to mention the fact that most of the people in this world think of him as more of a counter-culture icon then a political interest. His image has been commercialized too much.
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#36
When you call him a murderer, you're probably referring to this: Che oversaw the revolutionary tribunals of convicted War criminals from the U.S. Supported Batista dictatorship. These rapists, torturers, and goons ran Batista's dungeons and killed 20,000 people. Che simply reviewed the appeals of those sentenced to death. A decision supported by 93 % of Cubans at the time.

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#37
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English as in English English.

I'm an American and what is Gr?


american is not English.


#38
I think Che is a pretty cool guy. eh poses for pictures and doesnt afraid of anything.
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#39
He thought he was Rambo and died like a badass.


And he's now known as the T-shirt guy.
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But, in my opinion, Che was a man who should not be idolized or glorified. He should be thought of as a murderer and an extremist.


So should Fulgencio Batista. It was a war that needed to be fought to represent the people. The U.S. deliberately put in a tyrannical dictator to control the populous just as they have and always have and continue to do this day to have a strong hold over the south americas.

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