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#1
Looking for a bridge pickup for a friend.

Guitar has a mahogany body, maple neck, ebony fretboard.

He's looking for a crisp tone, with a nice aggressive bite from the upper midrange. Clarity is extremely important. It needs to have a thick rhythm tone as well, of course.

So far, I'm considering the Bill Lawrence L500-XL. Going for the Bill & Becky version.


What I do not want in the guitar for him...
No actives. No super high output unless you have a good reason.
Not looking for a boutique pickup like BKP - don't feel like breaking the bank.

His favorite bands?
As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Between the Buried And Me, etc...etc...

Any other ideas?
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#2
Wasn't there a Dimarzio pickup that sounded like an EMG? The D-activator or something?

tbh i wouldn't bother getting him a pickup, just give him the money so he can collect enough for something real nice, he likes and probably super expensive.
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#4
price range?
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#6
What's he running for an amp? Why would you say no high output pickups yet you want him to get an L500-XL? Metalcore requires high output pickups, why do you think every Metalcore band uses actives
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What's he running for an amp? Why would you say no high output pickups yet you want him to get an L500-XL? Metalcore requires high output pickups, why do you think every Metalcore band uses actives


Dude, that is totally not true. I could start quite a list if I wanted.

I know nothing of metal pups John. good luck

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#8
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What's he running for an amp? Why would you say no high output pickups yet you want him to get an L500-XL? Metalcore requires high output pickups, why do you think every Metalcore band uses actives

I'm saying no actives because the guitar has a very small control cavity, and I don't feel like routing a battery shelf!


Added a few of his favorite bands.
#9
The d activators are nice, but the d activator x's have a bit more mid range, but are really high output (they can clean up with volume well though

is there any particular artist or song he or you would like the pups to be more like?

EX: he likes dream theater, the petrucci signature pups would work

EDIT: definitely go for the d activators, the d activator x, or the x2n

all are high out put but clean up pretty well and can all (especially the two d activator models) do lower timings with great clarity, the x2n is a little more balls to the wall but is less versatile
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#10
Well I know for a fact that at least 3 or those 5 bands use actives... so just familiarise yourself with the Dimarzio d-activator series if you can. I don't know how much they will cost though
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#11
I added some bands. He likes As I Lay Dying's newest album quite a bit, the new Between the Buried and Me, and the last release by All That Remains - Overcome.

Also, the L500-XL isn't that hot compared to many modern pickups. I say no uber high output because a lot of high output pickups are too dark, and can get a bit muddy. Clarity is key here.

EDIT: I don't know how much the D-Activator series measures up to actives. I think it's all hype.
#12
Quote by forsaknazrael
Looking for a bridge pickup for a friend.

Guitar has a mahogany body, maple neck, ebony fretboard.

He's looking for a crisp tone, with a nice aggressive bite from the upper midrange. Clarity is extremely important. It needs to have a thick rhythm tone as well, of course.

So far, I'm considering the Bill Lawrence L500-XL. Going for the Bill & Becky version.


What I do not want in the guitar for him...
No actives. No super high output unless you have a good reason.
Not looking for a boutique pickup like BKP - don't feel like breaking the bank.

His favorite bands?
As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, Killswitch Engage, Lamb of God, Between the Buried And Me, etc...etc...

Any other ideas?



after doing some research:

LoG uses JB's and Invaders in their guitars.

the rest use EMG 85's from what I know Except BTBAM
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#13
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I added some bands. He likes As I Lay Dying's newest album quite a bit, the new Between the Buried and Me, and the last release by All That Remains - Overcome.

Also, the L500-XL isn't that hot compared to many modern pickups. I say no uber high output because a lot of high output pickups are too dark, and can get a bit muddy. Clarity is key here.

EDIT: I don't know how much the D-Activator series measures up to actives. I think it's all hype.

I've never used one but from what I hear there not exactly the same tone wise as an EMG (read: probably for the better) but they are a very nice sounding pickup in terms for clarity and attack in high gain
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#14
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I've never used one but from what I hear there not exactly the same tone wise as an EMG (read: probably for the better) but they are a very nice sounding pickup in terms for clarity and attack in high gain

+1
They dont sound the same as actives, but they are very good pickups for this sort of stuff.
#15
i switched to seymour duncan JB/59 from EMG's and haven't looked back. The gain difference is barely noticeable and they sound much warmer and organic. I think i paid around 150 for the combo.
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#16
Ones I suggest from DiMarzio:
Super Distortion <- I can get good As I Lay Dying tones with this one, wouldn't call it crisp though

Super 3 <- more mids, less bass, bit more clarity, middle ground of the Supers

Crunch Lab <- Petrucci's newest, good mid range growl, crisp, clarity, I'm putting one in my next guitar
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#18
Consider Irongear. I have a Steam Hammer in my bridge (mahogany body, rosewood board, maple neck) and it sounds fantastic. Cleans up OK with a turn of the volume knob. Brutal sound with any decent amount of gain. Demo is here through a Bugera 6262. Sorry about my bad playing, I've improved a lot since I recorded that.
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after doing some research:

LoG uses JB's and Invaders in their guitars.

the rest use EMG 85's from what I know Except BTBAM



Morton uses '59s. TOTALLY different from invaders. Resistance of like 8k, as opposed to like 19 i think
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#20
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^I always thought the Super Distortion was kinda fizzy and sizzly, and more suited for 80's metal stuff.

mine ain't just good heavy, decently flexible tones
It was designed for older high gain stuff but I can get good modern death/thrash/-core tones from it.

I'm really liking that Crunch Lab I also suggested. Lots of clarity and an awesome mid-range growl.
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#22
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Morton uses '59s. TOTALLY different from invaders. Resistance of like 8k, as opposed to like 19 i think

He did have Invadors in the bridge actually, but niw he uses Dimarzios in most of his live guitars. All the new ones Jackson sends him have them, don't remember which ones though

Still, he needs to have a good amp before worrying about pickups, I learned that the hard way
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#23
Dimarzio Steve's Special is a real nice clear ballsy pup
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#24
I pefer the D-Sonic.

Would like to replace it with my Super III, but we'll see.
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#27
i'm sure he could probably find a used EMG 81 on ebay in his price range
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i'm sure he could probably find a used EMG 81 on ebay in his price range


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#29
DiMarzio D-Activator or DiMarzio Crunch Lab imo.
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#30
best title ever

i haven't tried BLs... based on what I've heard they're probably worth considering (though I think i read somewhere that they're not mental hot, so that's worth bearing in mind).

duncan distortion would probably work (though I'm guessing you could do better too).

when you say "no boutique" do you mean based on price, or based on the wait involved? Far as I know there are some handwinders under budget (high order, BG and the like), but I haven't tried them.
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#31
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Did you read the OP?


The OP is stupid. He wants modern metal tones like bands that almost all use EMG's, but he doesn't want EMG's. It's ridiculous.

You can easily get 2 EMG's on ebay for around $100. Literally everything you described wanting in your sound are characteristics of EMG's. I think demanding not to use them is a really stupid decision.
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#32
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The OP is stupid. He wants modern metal tones like bands that almost all use EMG's, but he doesn't want EMG's. It's ridiculous.

You can easily get 2 EMG's on ebay for around $100. Literally everything you described wanting in your sound are characteristics of EMG's. I think demanding not to use them is a really stupid decision.


Lots of people don't like EMGs. Also, reported for being an ass.
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#33
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i haven't tried BLs... based on what I've heard they're probably worth considering (though I think i read somewhere that they're not mental hot, so that's worth bearing in mind).

duncan distortion would probably work (though I'm guessing you could do better too).

when you say "no boutique" do you mean based on price, or based on the wait involved? Far as I know there are some handwinders under budget (high order, BG and the like), but I haven't tried them.

wait AND price. His bday is coming up pretty soon. Like 2 weeks or something.
I'll check out the lower priced boutique, forgot about some of them.

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The OP is stupid. He wants modern metal tones like bands that almost all use EMG's, but he doesn't want EMG's. It's ridiculous.

your face is stupid.


I explained WHY I don't want EMGs, if you read the thread at all.
Additionally, I'll only be getting a bridge pickup right now. The guitar does not have independent controls, so it wouldn't mix with the neck pickup's electronics well.
Plus I don't like the sound of 85s. If it were me, and I actually wanted actives, I would get an 81 in the bridge and a 60 in the neck.
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ah ok. just check there isn't a wait on those lawrences too, then. I'm not sure, but there might be (or then again there might not if they sell enough of them).
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yeah i thought they might run it like that. that'd be ok then.
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#40
My experience with the JB is that is can be a little harsh on the high end, the guitar I have it in is a Mahagony body, maple neck and rosewood fretboard. I'd stay away from it as Ebony fretboards are quite a bit brighter than rosewood and if I have harsh tone now the ebony would make it worse.

X2N is pretty good for the guitar you are talking about it sounds like. I hated the D-activator in the exact same type of guitar you are talking about. It was pretty flubby when it came to drop tuning.

Go for the X2N, probably the best pickup for that guitar as far as metal goes and budget.
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