#1
I've been messing with my amp and my pedals forever trying to find the tightest distortion I can. I'm trying to develop this high gain chunk sound that I've never heard before so its hard to describe. Basically I got solid state amp, an overdrive, and EQ before the amp, and an EQ after the amp. The EQ in front is boosting the mids, and the EQ in the back is scooping it a bit. I don't really like to scoop my mids because then it makes my amp sound really compressed like a Boss Metal Zone and then my tone gets really lost if I try to play with drums or a bass.

So I'm looking for some tips as to getting the most absurd, chunky, hi gain, tight sounding distortion without making my sound muddy or to transparent in a band setting.

If it matters, I have a Randall RG100ES solid state, 2 GE-7 EQ's, and a Zakk Wylde Overdrive.

Thanks!
Gear:
-Mesa Dual Rectifier (3 Channel) with KT88 and KT66 Tubes
-Peavey 6505+
-Roland JC120
-Ibanez Tone Blaster TBX150H
-Mesa 4x12 Straight Cab
-Marshall 1960BV
-Gibson Les Paul Custom
-Gibson Flying V
-Line 6 M13
#2
you will sell all of your stuff. you will find a summer job. you will buy a fortin natas.

http://www.fortinamps.com/Natas.aspx

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#3
Quote by AcousticMirror
you will sell all of your stuff. you will find a summer job. you will buy a fortin natas.

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#4
Is a NATAS tighter then, say, an ENGL?
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#5
It depends on what you put in the natas,, you can choose what tubes you have installed. Also ENGL's vary in tightness quite a bit. Fireballs are pretty tight, Invaders are super ****ing tight. Screamers? Not so much.
#6
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#7
Distortion varies with amps as well. The Mesa Mark IV is a pretty tight amp compared to the Dual Rectifier (without a boost). Have your gain on as much as you need, but dont go overboard. I have my gain on 7 (or 2 o clock for you clock guys).
#8
I would rather work with what I have for now. Basically what I'm looking for is what factors create the tightness of tone so I can get more of it, or some tricks on how to get more. I've found boosted mids will tighten up the amp in the front nicely, but I'm looking for more. I want something heavier and thicker than anything out there already. So what makes a tone so focused and punchy?
Gear:
-Mesa Dual Rectifier (3 Channel) with KT88 and KT66 Tubes
-Peavey 6505+
-Roland JC120
-Ibanez Tone Blaster TBX150H
-Mesa 4x12 Straight Cab
-Marshall 1960BV
-Gibson Les Paul Custom
-Gibson Flying V
-Line 6 M13
#9
You won't be able to do it with a solid state amp and some pedals.

tightness of distortion is a characteristic of clipping that occurs in amps. Tubes do it better then transistors. If you want something that doesn't exist you probably won't get it with your setup. You'll push the amp as far as it will go and it'll just quit.

Getting a distortion voicing pedal will give you something that sounds tight for practice though. DOD American Metal or something like that. EQ pedals can't boost what's not there.
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#10
I have a Metal Muff set up as a boost right now with my two EQ's and the tight distortion is pretty freaking awesome, but thats with scooped mids and at louder volumes it starts to loose its umph. And I personally like the sound of solid state distortion better. People think those of us that do are nuts, but I don't like the warmth of a tube amp. I want it to sound like someone is rubbing 80 grit sandpaper on my ear drums. Tube amps are great at what they do, but I'm looking for something new.
Gear:
-Mesa Dual Rectifier (3 Channel) with KT88 and KT66 Tubes
-Peavey 6505+
-Roland JC120
-Ibanez Tone Blaster TBX150H
-Mesa 4x12 Straight Cab
-Marshall 1960BV
-Gibson Les Paul Custom
-Gibson Flying V
-Line 6 M13
#11
you still won't find it with a solid state amp...
solid state amps are old.
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#12
Quote by AcousticMirror
you still won't find it with a solid state amp...
solid state amps are old.

Dimebag Darrel got pretty close with solid state. So did George Lynch.

And solid state amps are old? Haha the first amps were tube amps, but I get what you're saying. I just wish they would put more effort into building higher end solid state amps.
Gear:
-Mesa Dual Rectifier (3 Channel) with KT88 and KT66 Tubes
-Peavey 6505+
-Roland JC120
-Ibanez Tone Blaster TBX150H
-Mesa 4x12 Straight Cab
-Marshall 1960BV
-Gibson Les Paul Custom
-Gibson Flying V
-Line 6 M13
#13
there's no problem with higher end solid state amps. They are great for certain applications. You can't get higher quality then 1000+watt P.A. amps. Perfect signal amplification. It's what you put into that signal that matters. Transistors simply don't distort the way that tubes do.
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#14
Quote by AcousticMirror
there's no problem with higher end solid state amps. They are great for certain applications. You can't get higher quality then 1000+watt P.A. amps. Perfect signal amplification. It's what you put into that signal that matters. Transistors simply don't distort the way that tubes do.

Exactly. If my tone came from pedals I'd just get a JC120 or something, but I like solid state distortion and no pedal comes close to the sound of good old vintage Randall. I'm just curious if there's something else I can throw at it to get more focused sound. A different kind of EQ, more bands maybe, a different brand? Rack EQ's? What about a parametric EQ, how does that compare to a graphic?
Gear:
-Mesa Dual Rectifier (3 Channel) with KT88 and KT66 Tubes
-Peavey 6505+
-Roland JC120
-Ibanez Tone Blaster TBX150H
-Mesa 4x12 Straight Cab
-Marshall 1960BV
-Gibson Les Paul Custom
-Gibson Flying V
-Line 6 M13
#15
you'd want like a signal boost or a fuzz or a distortion pedal.
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#16
Quote by xXBansheeXx
Dimebag Darrel got pretty close with solid state. So did George Lynch.

And solid state amps are old? Haha the first amps were tube amps, but I get what you're saying. I just wish they would put more effort into building higher end solid state amps.

dimebags tone definitely isnt what id call tight.
#17
@AM you gave me new GAS....look at the price of the meathead...shit man 4999$ wtf.....

Im now lost between a cobra,a NATAS and an Invader
#18
Lol. It's boutique. It's high gain. Fortin right now is where Soldano was like in the 80s. Basically, building an amp that has more gain and more articulation then anyone else.

I think I'll pick one up in like 20 years or so when they are 2k. Lol.

I've finally reached the point where I've got too much gain and I don't know if I want anymore though.
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#19
Quote by AcousticMirror
Lol. It's boutique. It's high gain. Fortin right now is where Soldano was like in the 80s. Basically, building an amp that has more gain and more articulation then anyone else.

I think I'll pick one up in like 20 years or so when they are 2k. Lol.

I've finally reached the point where I've got too much gain and I don't know if I want anymore though.

hahah lol

thanks for narrowing down my GAS..It occured to me that another guitar is useless(suhr custom)so Im investing half of what I have saved in an good amp
#20
Quote by Arterial
dimebags tone definitely isnt what id call tight.


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