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#1
Right, first of all im not some UFO enthusiast who 'befriends aliens and talks to them on a daily basis'. But i truly believe that space travel is more than possible and that its just a question of time until some1 comes up with an idea of how to get people from A to B space-wise... in one piece and good time! (ie not billions of years)

I like to think that I've finally come up with a possible solution : its quite simple, it MIGHT sound stupid but bare with me;
1) build a pillar on the equator thats about..lets say the diameter of the earth, out of recycled waste and sand
2) attach a space capsule at the end of the pole ( the end thats sticking out of earch )
3) release the capsule so that the spinning earth and the pole act as a catapult. ofcorse you have to aim at a particular planet...but thats basic stuff

Ok, this might sound a little extreme, but sometimes the craziest ideas bring about the best results. Wat do you think? otherwise wat would you suggest??
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#2
A pillar whose height is the diameter of the Earth? We don't have enough material IN TOTAL on the Earth's crust to make a stable pillar like that.

But I suppose we could just dig up some lava from the insides of our planet. That sounds a lot more reasonable than what you are proposing.
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No it isn't. Your idea doesn't have carbon nanotubes.

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#6
To 'aim' it you'd have to mess with the earth axis unless this 'pillar' can be twisted - which means you could only ever launch a handful of 'ships' at a certain planet and then closing it again to re-open it with a different trajectory.
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hmm... no my idea is slightly better
No, your idea is stupid.
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#9
i thought of that, but linking earth to the moon, but wont work for obvious reasons
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hmm... no my idea is slightly better
Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to build a pillar that's over 12 kilometres high, one that's stable and solid, so we can fling stuff into space.
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Well, we made a step forward, they invented a plasma based engine, with it the trip to Mars takes "only" a month!
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Yes, it's perfectly reasonable to build a pillar that's over 12 kilometres high, one that's stable and solid, so we can fling stuff into space.


of course you wont be able to do it with that attitude!
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3) release the capsule so that the spinning earth and the pole act as a catapult. ofcorse you have to aim at a particular planet...but thats basic stuff

Ok, this might sound a little extreme, but sometimes the craziest ideas bring about the best results. Wat do you think? otherwise wat would you suggest??

Why don't we just do that but instead use a capsule that uses fuel to reach the atmosphere. Almost like some kind of rocket, oh wait...
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Well, we made a step forward, they invented a plasma based engine, with it the trip to Mars takes "only" a month!


Doesn't that depend on how close we are to Mars?
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#18
I think you need to revise some Newtonian mechanics TS.
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To put things into perspective:

The Earth's Diameter: 12,756.32 kilometres.
Tallest building on Earth: Burj Khalifa in Dubai with 828 metres, or 0.828 kilometres. That's five orders of magnitude smaller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa
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To put things into perspective:

The Earth's Diameter: 12,756.32 kilometres.
Tallest building on Earth: Burj Khalifa in Dubai with 828 metres, or 0,828 kilometres. That's five orders of magnitude smaller.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burj_Khalifa


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Doesn't that depend on how close we are to Mars?



Why would they launch at any other date then when we are the closest?
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#22
it'd be alot easier to convert our mass to energy and propel it to the speed of light. you could also aim your vessel that way too.

really though, legthy space travel won't really be possible until quantum mechanics are far better understood than they are today.
#23
i find your idea exactly the same as the space elevator and has the same failure as the space elevator, we dont have the freaking material to make a rope/pillar how ever you wanna call it of that size

but it is interesting
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PILLAR not BUILDING... there is quite a difference!
Exactly. Who needs a stable and solidly supported construction when you can just make something really tall? In fact, it'd be easier to just plant a 12 kilometre long stick in the ground, than to build something that won't come crashing down or snap in half at the slightest breeze.

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Why would they launch at any other date then when we are the closest?

You don't seem to remember that NASA crashed $400 million and then drove the other $400 mill off a cliff.
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PILLAR not BUILDING... there is quite a difference!

Yea, a building is more stable
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#28
actually both ideas suck. Your idea of a giant pillar of garbage is stupid. First off, once you are catapulted to the next planet how do you land?? A massive crash landing its how I see it happening. Second, how do you get from one planet to another? Build these huge "garbage pillars" all over the solar system?? I am gonna use my number one most despised saying here, because you well deserve it... EPIC FAIL!!

Next the idea of a "space elevator is equally as stupid. So what is the point of having a large rock or asteroid as a counter weight, or even an even longer lenght of cable?? SO once it reaches this point where does it go??? Oh, it is just flung off into space. OK, so whats the point of the elevator then, we might as well go with the original posters idea of a garbage pillar catapult. A space station as a counter weight... that almost makes sense, except once the payload gets to the space station where doe it go??? on a rocket ship??? why not just skip both these stupid ideas, and either learn more about worm holes or wait for hundreds of years for technology to advance to where we can travel at light speed. That would be a better bet then just fling stuff off willy nilly into space.
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PILLAR not BUILDING... there is quite a difference!

A pillar IS a building.

Also, I hope you're not suggesting we just plant an elongated stick in the ground. Do you any idea how strong the winds are at high altitudes?
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Next the idea of a "space elevator is equally as stupid. So what is the point of having a large rock or asteroid as a counter weight, or even an even longer lenght of cable??
To get a payload out of the clutches of Earth's gravitational field.
SO once it reaches this point where does it go??? Oh, it is just flung off into space.
Yes, it is flung off into space. Right now we need massive rockets to do that. If an elevator can do the same job without burning tons and tons of fuel.
OK, so whats the point of the elevator then, we might as well go with the original posters idea of a garbage pillar catapult.
No, because said pillar would collapse before it could be completed
A space station as a counter weight... that almost makes sense, except once the payload gets to the space station where doe it go??? on a rocket ship???
It could stay at the station (supplies and such), or be sent off into outer space.
why not just skip both these stupid ideas, and either learn more about worm holes or wait for hundreds of years for technology to advance to where we can travel at light speed. That would be a better bet then just fling stuff off willy nilly into space.
Flinging stuff into space at low cost is something scientists can only dream of. Worm holes aren't gonna solve that either. And you don't seem to realize that this is technology advancing. Stuff doesn't advance if you just wait around.
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#32
This thread is so filled with fail that it could almost make a new meme... I think I'm gonna bring this space slingshot up everywhere.
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#33
Damn, I hope I graduate on time to be able to participate in TS' awesome PILLAR project.
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#35
Well obviously space travel IS possible its just a matter of time till someone discovers either how to break the speed of light, or create a singularity in time space that allows us to make a shortcut thru the galaxy (wormhole). But then again, gravity and gravitational pull affect time, so if we were to travel through space theoretically, wouldn't we be reaching our destinations at different points in that planets history? Repeatedly arriving at the target planet far advanced into the future than we were before? Idk.... ask that asian dude on the history channel.
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#36
While the idea of building a pillar that long is unrealistic, let us examine what it would accomplish.

The equator is about 40,000km long. This makes the Earth's diameter 12,732km and its radius 6366km. The earth rotates around once in 24h, meaning the speed of a stationary object on its surface is 1667km/h. This makes the angular velocity of the earth .2618km/h.

This means that the speed of a spacecraft released by a pillar 12,732km above ground would be 5000km/h. We have reached speeds of 240,000km/h back in the 70s.

Simply said, this would be 2% as fast at the fastest spacecraft thirty years ago
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great! we can be the first to crash-land together

but no seriously, okay the plan's abit rough around the edges, but thats what scientists are for
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While the idea of building a pillar that long is unrealistic, let us examine what it would accomplish.

The equator is about 40,000km long. This makes the Earth's diameter 12,732km and its radius 6366km. The earth rotates around once in 24h, meaning the speed of a stationary object on its surface is 1667km/h. This makes the angular velocity of the earth .2618km/h.

This means that the speed of a spacecraft released by a pillar 12,732km above ground would be 5000km/h. We have reached speeds of 240,000km/h back in the 70s.

Simply said, this would be 2% as fast at the fastest spacecraft thirty years ago


And that concludes the thread.
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