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Does anybody have experience with Rondo Music? I've been looking at the instruments and their prices just don't compare with any other company for the features the guitars have. Are they legitimate or are the guitars just shoddily built?

On a separate note, the only difference between these two guitars is scale length:
http://www.rondomusic.com/interceptorpro725ebtribalgreen.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/product3192.html
With a longer scale length, does string tension increase or decrease?
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#2
Search bar. Seriously. This thread has been done a hundred times.

Rondo guitars are legit, they're better than other guitars in the same price range because Rondo doesn't have to raise the price of their guitars to compensate for advertising and distributing. You get a guitar for cheaper than a guitar of similar quality from a big name company would cost because of those factors.

Tension increases as scale length increases.
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Why does every '10er seem to make a thread about this very subject?

Right then, time to copypaste a giant rant of giantness on the subject.


It seems a lot of people on this website have an infatuation with low-cost equipment. Which is understandable, most of us aren't Paul McCartney and can't buy a 1959 Les Paul with our pocket change.

That said though, it seems like it gets to the point in a lot of people where it's harmful, which is a bit of a problem as many people come here looking for advice and help. Before I go any further, let me just say since I know that I'm going to get hit a lot for this, that I'm in no way saying every copy will always be crap no matter what. Out of three electrics, an acoustic, and a bass, only my strat and my bass are genuine, and even then I prefer my tele to my strat. But either way I'd be a hypocritical fool to say that.

For this particular ranting, I'll be focusing on Agile, as they seem to be the $100-$400 brand that everyone is saying can kill the $1,000-$4,000 guitars dead in the water. I'll also be taking a look at everyone's favourite modeling amp, the Peavey Vypyr series.

I've played Agiles, there've been a few at local shops, and they're not bad guitars. I want to get it out of the way that they're not crap, nor am I trying to call them crap, they're quality instruments, especially for the price. Hell, they probably have some of the best stock pickups I've heard in a $300 guitar. Personally I'll take a Dillion over an Agile if I'm getting a copy, but that's just me.

That said though, some of the comparisons I've read are ridiculous. I've seen people claim that their $250 Agile Les Paul they tore the stock pickups out of and shoved a burstbucker set into can take on and beat a $3,500 Les Paul Supreme is just ludicrous.

Will it sound good? Probably. Will it feel good? That's a matter of complete opinion, but you seem to like it. But my understanding is that Gibson's custom shop has some of the people from way back in the 60's still working in there. If you're going to the standard or above, they're not going to skimp on the figurative special sauce because you're not buying their car-priced guitar. They know how to make a good guitar, especially the custom shop guys who probably take every one they build home for an extra week and test it in every imaginable way to be sure it works perfect before sending it to you. A bad CEO can't stop your best factory floor workers from taking utmost pride in their work and doing the best damn job possible at it.

I'm not trying to say some higher-up guitars aren't overpriced; a $2,000 Les Paul is sold to Guitar Center for $1,200, who then mark it up 75% to your 2k tag price. But what I'm trying to say is that it's all but impossible to get a guitar made from materials that at $300, you can make a profit from, to sound as good as a guitar that's using a $3,000+ pricetag guitar's choice of materials, and has a master of the craft testing it for any sort of imperfections in contrast to sweatshop Meki in China who gets ¢3 for a week's work and knows three chords to test it with.

I'm going to be shorter with the Vypyrs, as most people in GG&A are more of my sort of tonehounds than the guys in EG(Yet oddly I spend more time in the latter...) so, like myself, savour the perfect sound, even if it comes with a giant pricetag. They're solid-state modeler amps with an annoying and complicated front panel.

That said, if you can understand them they kick ass, and are probably some of the best modeler's around today. They're great amps for people who don't know what tonal direction they want, or as a practice amp for travel and bedrooom fuddling. I'm even thinking of picking up a Vypyr 15 while I still have my discount as a travel/practice amp. However, if you know the tonal direction you want and don't mind paying for glass tubes, then I doubt many people, especially those on the Who To Listen To List would recommend you a Vypyr over, say, a good Fender tube amp if you want to get some blues going, or a 5150 from also-Peavey if 80's metal is your thing.

The people recommending the Vypyr know it's place though; it's a good amp, but at the end of the day, when you know what you want, you're going to be happier with the genuine article than with it, no matter how many cranked-up halfstack models it has that make your Jazz sound silly or how many acoustic settings it has that sound tinny with your deathcore, which is ironic because the way most deathcore guitarists seem to scoop mids despite the industry compensating so that's no longer required and just leaves things sounding, to be redundant, tinny. But it has it's place as your handy dandy modeling amp.

I'd just like to reiterate I'm not saying everything cheap is bad. Nowadays people don't want to spend a lot(Especially with the global economy,) so the mid-range guitar department is booming. I own several from that area myself. Yamaha Pacifica's are ass-kicking guitars for the money, I used to play them all the time at my old job in a shop. Ibanez hit the ball out of the park with the semihollow market via the Artcore guitars.(Going back to that little shop, out of our beginner-centric stock, my favourite guitar? A satin black Ibanez 335 copy.)

But as good as these guitars are, a $350 Ibanez Artcore isn't going to keep up with a quality 335 or a Carvin SH445. A $300 Agile Les Paul copy isn't going to be able to stand up with a Gibson Les Paul that cost thousands of dollars, simply because of the fact that the more expensive your instrument, the better you can get in terms of material components that create the sound.

Of course, sound is subjective. I'm sure there are people out there who prefer a low-cost copy to the high-cost real-thing. And more power to them; they get the sound they want for less money and they're happy with their instrument, plus they have more money to spend on other important things in life, like high-bandwidth internet.

And I'm also not denying that there are spoiled kids who think they're better than Smallwallety Steve because they have a Gibson instead of his Epiphone, though generally you can identify them by their tendency to play minor pentatonic fills over and over again along with generic metal and/or classic rock riffs into a stack that drowns everyone else in the store out because nobody sensible cranks a 100W halfstack in a generally calm room about twenty feet high and fifteen wide. That's what big festivals are for, and the amps were made for the aforementioned sensible people, and using this, avoid them.

What I am saying though is that to Joe Everyguy, generally if he has $3,000 to blow on a guitar, if he compares an Epiphone and a Gibson, he'll prefer the latter, because the higher-cost guitars, both due to selling slower and costing more, are made to appeal to more people(Which isn't to say there aren't specialist tools; seven-strings are still a niche, but a reissue of the Ibanez Universe recently went out for $8,000.) and that while both are good guitars, saying they're on equal footing is just stupid(Even stupider when you replace Agile with Epiphone as above; no company is going to make it's budget model better than it's deluxe model).

TL;DR, and to bring it all back to a simple point and to give my fellow lazy bastards a way to avoid my ranting, to summarize, cheap guitars nowadays, while the beginner packs are worse than ever because of the rise of "Buy-before-you-try" point-and-click ten minute Amazon shopping, once you get beyond $150 or so, are better than ever, and while you may think your Agile sounds better, sound is a matter of taste.

On top of that, in my experience, people play better with a better guitar. Better instruments just feel nicer, once we get an idea of it's handling, we'll be better on it than our guitar. There are awful players who make a lot of money so have nice guitars yes, but generally if you take someone and make them play a good guitar and a bad guitar and they're familiar with both, generally they'll do better on the good guitar. buy as good a guitar as you can, and put some consideration into things before saying how much happier someone will be with your guitar than the one they're looking at.
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search bar, they're good, and this guy posted the same damn rant on the last thread like this. Agile guitars are good especially for the price you pay. This is the 3rd thread with the exact same question this week.
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