#1
I've been having an argument, and basically he's saying we should be more like certain bands, I say we should have our own sound.
Basically it ends up as me saying there's an infinite amount of riffs which sound good to most people who like that genre.

True or false?
#2
inb4 infinite is not a number and physics lectures.
OT: no.
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#3
False, just a very large amount. There's only a certain amount of combinations of notes and rythms.
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#4
errpp false, but you should look for your own sounds instead of copying/merging from others.
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#5
You're both wrong.

At some point you're inadvertently going to write something that's already been written, but you should at least attempt to be original, or just not blatantly rip off of other bands.
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#6
It's infinite if it can be of an indefinite length. But clearly it's finite.
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#8
who has the sig that says "infinity is not a number, it's a concept" ?

pretty much that.

^ Also that.
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#9
But surely although there are a limited amount of notes, and therefore a limited amount of orders in which they can be played, there is an infinite number of notes which can be used in the riff? Therefore there are infinite possible combinations?
#10
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It's infinite if it can be of an indefinite length. But clearly it's finite.


This.
#11
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But surely although there are a limited amount of notes, and therefore a limited amount of orders in which they can be played, there is an infinite number of notes which can be used in the riff? Therefore there are infinite possible combinations?


Yes, but it's still not a number

... not that this is even relevant
#12
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But surely although there are a limited amount of notes, and therefore a limited amount of orders in which they can be played, there is an infinite number of notes which can be used in the riff? Therefore there are infinite possible combinations?


high number x high number = really high number.

really high number =/= infinity
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#13
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But surely although there are a limited amount of notes, and therefore a limited amount of orders in which they can be played, there is an infinite number of notes which can be used in the riff? Therefore there are infinite possible combinations?

This only works if you have never-ending riffs.
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But surely although there are a limited amount of notes, and therefore a limited amount of orders in which they can be played, there is an infinite number of notes which can be used in the riff? Therefore there are infinite possible combinations?

There's no "length" limit so yes, they're inifnite, you don't make it so clear in the OP, I honestly didn't know what you were talking about, I think I still don't.
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#16
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But surely although there are a limited amount of notes, and therefore a limited amount of orders in which they can be played, there is an infinite number of notes which can be used in the riff? Therefore there are infinite possible combinations?
Sure there are infinite possible combinations but only a finite number of combinations are actually plausible.
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#18
2500+ Years of music and there's still new music coming out? I think it's safe to say that there is close to an infinite amount of music and while you could argue "There's only a certain number of combination of notes and rhythms," its an ignorant argument.

Music is MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH MUCH more than notes and rhythems. Sure, there's a point where playing everything in Em and having chuggy breakdowns all sounds the same...
But looking at music from a global stand-point does not have a finite amount that can be made.
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#19
there is only a limit on available riffs, not that the world would run out anytime soon but you can only have so many note combinations since there is a limit of frets and chords. you sould go for an original sound though
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#20
the mainstream music industry favours a 'sellable' kind of sound, so very catchy with more thought into the production than the skill of the musicians.

So if your not trying to get recognised by the mainstream then i suggest playing what you Enjoy playing through and through, you'll get alot more done that way (songs, gigs, recordings) than trying to play what the maximum amount of people want.

Well, there are more combinations of notes on a guitar than possible combinations for the national lottery numbers, but it doesnt mean they all work together. The limit is set by your imagination, i guess
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#21
The limit or lack thereof on the number of possible combinations of notes is not the issue here; TS and his band should just dedicate themselves to playing Foreigner/Foghat covers and we should stop this silly argument.
#22
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there is only a limit on available riffs, not that the world would run out anytime soon but you can only have so many note combinations since there is a limit of frets and chords. you sould go for an original sound though
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHBVnMf2t7w

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdxkVQy7QLM&feature=related
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#23
Um, not to disrupt the thread...but the Foreigner/Foghat covers sounds like an awesome idea.
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#24
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You're both wrong.

At some point you're inadvertently going to write something that's already been written, but you should at least attempt to be original, or just not blatantly rip off of other bands.


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#25
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Um, not to disrupt the thread...but the Foreigner/Foghat covers sounds like an awesome idea.


Maybe swing in a few Rolling Stone covers.

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Maybe swing in a few Rolling Stone covers.

Can't get no- na na naaa na SATISFACTION!


And to finish your set, of course, some Skynyrd.

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#29
You are all forgetting about rythmn in a riff. If you write a riff and extend one note by a microsecond and reduce one by another microsecond, you are creating another riff entirely. Since there are infinite divisions of time, with a finite number of notes and measures one could literally create an unlimited number of melodies.
#30
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Maybe swing in a few Rolling Stone covers.

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Only if you do this version


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#31
So what you're trying to say is while your friend believes we should let artists of our particular genre influence them heavily as it it'll make you appeal more to the target audience while you believe we should strive more to be innovators and add new aspects to the music?
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#32
You guys are being way too ****ing scientific, haha.

TS, for all intents and purposes, yes there are boundless amounts of riffs. Technically there isn't, but no real person cares. *glares at the rest of the thread...except the Foriegner fans. They're cool*
#33
You're both wrong.

Forget riffs, more cowbell
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So what you're trying to say is while your friend believes we should let artists of our particular genre influence them heavily as it it'll make you appeal more to the target audience while you believe we should strive more to be innovators and add new aspects to the music?


Pretty much. And your sig is amazing.