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Alright so first im really into the les paul feel and sound but i want a les paul which would last a long time and is pretty reasonable in price im thinking about getting an epiphone which is like half of the gibson models but im not too sure if its gonna last for a long time, so if you were me would you rather invest in a more expensive gibson model instead of a cheaper epiphone model.
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#5
They're both going to last a long time, depending on how you treat them.
I'd reckon a high end Epi would be better value for money than a low end Gibson, but the Gibson would be worth more in the future.

Go and play a load, and if a Gibson feels better, then go for it! If you rate the high end Epi, then buy one of those instead. Really, you want one that feels right more than one that'll last ages.
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#6
When you think Les Paul do you think Gibson or Epiphone? If you get the Epiphone are you going to be wishing that you had gotten the Gibson? If you wait and save for the Gibson are you going to be wishing that you had an extra $2000 in your pocket?

In my opinion, I would wait and save for the Gibson because why buy twice? Just buy what you want the first time. If they were the same price then what would you buy? Adjust your budget so that you get what you really want.
#7
what country are you in and what's your budget?
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#8
Depends what your budget is
If you can afford a decent Gibson, go for it
If not, get a Epi
#9
We can't really help much here, dude. It just depends on how much you want to pay, which is largely going to be determined by how serious you are about guitar.

Epiphone or Gibson, don't buy blind. Make sure you try it out before any money is given. If I were you I'd just craigslist it and look around for used Studios and Standards and the like. Upmarket Epis, but lower-mid range Gibbos. See what you like and set up a meeting to try it. Just make sure he understands you're only promising to try it - not necessarily to buy it.
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We can't really help much here, dude. It just depends on how much you want to pay, which is largely going to be determined by how serious you are about guitar.

Epiphone or Gibson, don't buy blind. Make sure you try it out before any money is given. If I were you I'd just craigslist it and look around for used Studios and Standards and the like. Upmarket Epis, but lower-mid range Gibbos. See what you like and set up a meeting to try it. Just make sure he understands you're only promising to try it - not necessarily to buy it.


since when does how much you want to pay have anything to do with how serious a player you are? the guy wants a decent AFFORDABLE guitar. i've met many dedicated players that just plain didn't have alot of cash over the years. i guarentee that there are hundreds of players out there that have equipment that isn't half as good as what you have that will smoke you when it comes to playing.

OP as mentioned try before you buy. i've played top of the line Gibson Customs that sucked and Epi's that were great, its just a matter of finding the guitar that suites you in the price range you can afford.
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since when does how much you want to pay have anything to do with how serious a player you are? the guy wants a decent AFFORDABLE guitar. i've met many dedicated players that just plain didn't have alot of cash over the years.

Because if he's not a serious player then he probably doesn't care to blow three grand on a Custom Shop piece.
#12
If you're going Epi, go higher end. I have a Gibson LPC, and have played on many Epi LPs, and while the Epi is very good for the money, there is just no comparison IMHO. The Gibson is much better. If you don't mind dropping a couple grand, go for the Gibson. If you'd rather not spend that much (and it sounds like you don't), stick with higher-end Epi. Either way, both are great guitars that will last a lifetime, and you will not be disappointed.

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#13
if your nice to an epi itll last forever, and honestly ive played higher end epis that ive loved and gibsons that ive hated so you really just gotta go with what feels right when your at the store playing em
#15
New, you can get a Gibson Studio for less than the price of an upper end Epi. Both will do the job, if you buy used be careful, their are a lot of counterfeits out there and EBay is full of them.

The Gibson stock PUs will be better than all of Epis with the exception of the Gibson or SD equipped high end Epis.
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#16
ebay is crap for buying guitars ...ive been stung twice......aint gonna use them again
#17
Also dont forget the ESP Eclipse with duncans. They cost around $1400 i think which is around the price of a Gibson lp studio. The quality of the ESP is way better. However the ESP has a thinner, lighter body and thinner neck. If u are looking for a traditional les paul, it might not be for u.
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#18
A high end Epiphone is better than a low end Gibson.

Do what I did. Buy a high end Epiphone Les Paul (not a custom) and then just completely customise it over time.
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ebay is crap for buying guitars ...ive been stung twice......aint gonna use them again


It's pretty much not about "them", it's about picking a good seller. But I understand, there's obviously lot of crap out there including b-stock stuff sold for full price and such.


As for the main matter, I'd say find a model you think feels, sounds and looks good. There's plenty out there, find a good one for you.. You'll get nowhere by asking a blank "this or that" question.
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Because if he's not a serious player then he probably doesn't care to blow three grand on a Custom Shop piece.


once again you seem to equate money with seriousness. what's up with that. i won't spend 3 grand on a custom shop strat does this somehow make me less of a player? my 88 strat plus does me just fine for a third of the sum you mentioned (and i didn't even pay that much for it). obviously the guy can't afford that kind of money and neither can alot of players "serious" or not.

by the way a quick look at your equipment list shows you have an Epi so what you aren't 'serious' enough to get a gibson either . (by the way not trying to be a dick at all but your presentation doesn't effectively get your point across)
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#21
just going to add this: a top-end epiphone will mop the floor with a low end gibson.


just food for thought.
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#22
Gibson hands down. But, try them for your self. If you prefer the way one feels,plays and sounds over the other buy it.Personally I have never played a Epiphone Les Paul that felt like anything other then a plastic toy.Epi makes some great guitars but the Les Paul is not one of them IMNSHO. YMMVETTLDP
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#24
You're going to have to play a bunch of each. What one person likes, another may not, and both lines have differences in them.

Epiphones have the prettier features at a lower price point, but Gibson has a headstock that won't make your eyes bleed. (Christ on a cracker, they're ugly)

Epiphone has poly finish, whereas Gibsons have nitrocellulose - they both feel different so that's entirely up to preference.

Just a couple examples.

I will say this though; if you're planning on dropping a couple grand on a Gibson, get a used Historic. They're far better than the USA Standards and you can get them for around $2000.

Mine was $2100 shipped.
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#26
I like Gibson. But depending on models, you could get an Epi Elitist and get an amazing quality guitar.
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Yea thats what i thought.
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once again you seem to equate money with seriousness. what's up with that. i won't spend 3 grand on a custom shop strat does this somehow make me less of a player? my 88 strat plus does me just fine for a third of the sum you mentioned (and i didn't even pay that much for it). obviously the guy can't afford that kind of money and neither can alot of players "serious" or not.

You are completely missing the point. I am saying that someone who doesn't plan on sticking with it - or who has an urgent need to be frugal - should probably weigh their choices heavily before blowing such an amount. That is all. If he's not a huge player, he might consider discounting the Gibson altogether and stick to Epiphone. I am not saying the inverse - which is "Epiphone is for poor people and losers lololol buy a Gibson nub!111!1"
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by the way a quick look at your equipment list shows you have an Epi so what you aren't 'serious' enough to get a gibson either . (by the way not trying to be a dick at all but your presentation doesn't effectively get your point across)

No, I don't have a Gibson... anymore. I sold it to fund a custom job.
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But what I'd really do is get an MIJ LP copy.

This is what I'd do. Particularly, I'd find a used one so that it won't lose a ton of value if you don't like it - that way it's no skin off your nose if you don't. But if you're not into buying a guitar you've never even seen before that's perfectly understandable.
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This is what I'd do. Particularly, I'd find a used one so that it won't lose a ton of value if you don't like it - that way it's no skin off your nose if you don't. But if you're not into buying a guitar you've never even seen before that's perfectly understandable.


OH yea, I forgot to mention that o...o my bad.

But I know it sounds good having played an Edwards LP in person.

http://www.petelacis.com/2008/11/05/gibson-les-paul-vos-1960-vs-edwards-les-paul-lp130/

Just found that by searching "Edwards LP neck" And just by reading up apparently Edwards LP necks are "not as thick as the Gibson 50s but not as thin as the 60s"

Edit: I wouldn't know any comparisions to real Gibson necks myself as I don't tend to play Gibson LPs

So it's in the middle if that helps at all. Plus if you get an Edwards we can form a club. The two person Edwards players club
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#31
For the most part...the Gibby will have better parts...ie wood, electronics, and hardware. Not that the Epi is a POS, I've played some Epi's that were fantastic and Gibby's that were 9lb turds. Play as many as you can and buy the one that feels the best. I always play an electric guitar unplugged first, if I don't like how it feels and sounds I move on.
#32
One thing to keep in mind about getting MIJ copies though- on ebay the sellers of said guitars tend to be in Japan. Meaning you'll get raped for shipping. But if you get a good deal it's so worth it.
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One thing to keep in mind about getting MIJ copies though- on ebay the sellers of said guitars tend to be in Japan. Meaning you'll get raped for shipping. But if you get a good deal it's so worth it.


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the final price looks like it would be over $1000 (if the import taxes are normal) but not as expensive as buying the $1300 Gibson Studio. And the Edwards will just be better than the Studio.
#34
I'll prolly never buy a guitar mail order. I want to play it before I buy it, just like my women.
#35
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Before you make your choice on which brand you want, check out Agile's line of les pauls. They have some very nice les paul shaped guitars on there for alot cheaper than you would pay for a Gibson, or an Epiphone.


Seconded.

I have an AL3100 and it's great, especially for being 450 shipped with a hardshell case.
#37
go for the gibson but do not buy a studio or a standard 2008 model.

if you can find a pre-2008 build standard or a classic go for that. otherwise check for a traditional or, if you wallet lets you, a custom.
#38
If you can afford a gibson then buy a gibson. I have an Epiphone SG that has lasted me 2 years and still going strong now. What I would suggest is getting a mid range Epiphone and equiping it with better pickups for a better sound.
#39
Agile over Epi.
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go for the gibson but do not buy a studio or a standard 2008 model.

if you can find a pre-2008 build standard or a classic go for that. otherwise check for a traditional or, if you wallet lets you, a custom.

I think you mean pre-2006, if you're trying to avoid the chambering.

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I wouldn't bother with Gibson or Epi if it were me - they're big names but they're nowhere near as good as they once were. Try an ESP Eclipse with Seymour Duncans, a PRS SE Singlecut, some kind of Tokai or any one of the many good LP Copy Brands on the market.

Not sure what you're on about. The guitars they make now aren't quite as good as a real '58 or '59 Les Paul made from old growth Honduran mahogany but the ones made post-2006 are some of the best Gibsons I've ever played. They finally brought back the proper neck dimensions and tenon length.
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